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 Posted:   Jan 3, 2006 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I saw this available through Naxos.
How good is it, anyone??
Thanks.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

I own it because I love the score and because there's no other recording available, but the slack, formless conducting of Adriano does Auric's music no favor. I pray that one day a real conductor will undertake to re-record this film music classic.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

I pray that one day a real conductor will undertake to re-record this film music classic.

Ouch.

Without Adriano no other conductor ever would be able to do it.

Some different opinons on the re-recording:

http://www.musicweb.uk.net/film/dec99/belle.htm
http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2005/June05/Auric_Beauty_8557707.htm
http://www.cinemusic.de/rezension.htm?rid=1019

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)



Ouch.

Without Adriano no other conductor ever would be able to do it.

Some different opinons on the re-recording:

http://www.musicweb.uk.net/film/dec99/belle.htm
http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2005/June05/Auric_Beauty_8557707.htm
http://www.cinemusic.de/rezension.htm?rid=1019



Adriano's rerecording got better. Some of the first albums he did for Marco Polo are not very good. That's not only his fault. The orchestras he used weren't top notch either.

- Rebecca has some strong moments (I remember Nick Redman bashing this one in an interview).

- The Bliss album is the worst in my opinion. A shame, because the music is good actually and should be rerecorded again with a better orchestra.

- Then there are Adriano's Honegger albums. Since he is the only one who does it, I'm glad we have them at last. Honegger is one of my all time favorite composers who put the mark on film music.

- The same goes for his Ibert rerecordings, a must have IMO.

- The Auric albums are good and worth having (due to other priorities, I don't own them yet. I know they'll be around for a while).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Matt Perkins.   (Member)

Adriano's recording of Herrmann's JANE EYRE (fantastic score) is also fine and a disc I often revisit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

very good score -quite impressionistic in style.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2006 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

I also own Adriano's JANE EYRE, his Ibert album, his Bliss album, and one of his Honegger albums. But I don't think that any of them are particularly good representations of the music; they're only worth having because the music (apart from the Herrmann) is unavailable elsewhere.

I'm afraid my attitude toward Adriano is not quite so forgiving. He's a dilettante who somehow managed to talk Marco Polo into allowing him to record these (and other) classic scores. His conducting abilities, as far as I'm concerned, are barely on par with Leroy Holmes. His only advantage over Holmes is that he does at least make use of full orchestras. Perhaps his conducting improved over time, but the last album of his I listened to was ORPHEUS/RUY BLAS and I found it as listless and meandering as the others.

I don't agree that if he hadn't recorded these scores no one else would have done so. In fact, what I suspect (and find most disheartening) is that his lackluster recordings have probably foreclosed the possibility of anyone else ever recording this music, and doing so properly.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

Yes, he talked Klaus Heymann of Marco Polo/Naxos to get into re-recordings of classic film scores.

Adriano made himself a reputation as a promoter of forgotten classics like Suter or Fanelli. After the relationship with Heymann broke, Bo Hyttner of Sterling jumped at the chance to work with Adriano.

Aurics score for "The Beauy and the Beast" was regarded as lost. Adriano discovered it.

Nobody else would have recorded CDs of the non-British films of Auric or recorded Honneger's film scores. These days Chandos *might* do it, but just because Marco Polo / Naxos proved that it is commercially viable.

And his CDs get very good reviews as well, except I admit on some filmmusic forums.

Check your facts.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

Yes, he talked Klaus Heymann of Marco Polo/Naxos to get into re-recordings of classic film scores.

...Aurics score for "The Beauy and the Beast" was regarded as lost. Adriano discovered it.


And for these things Adriano should be applauded.


And his CDs get very good reviews as well, except I admit on some filmmusic forums.

Swell, but to me the undeniable fact is that I find his recordings seriously lacking in energy and form, regardless of what any reviewer may say.

I'm curious to know, however, which of his recordings you think are particularly deserving of praise?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

His Shostakovich Fall of Berlin/Unforgivable Year of 1919 is pretty good.
His Khachaturian disc with Othello and Battle of Stalingrad is also fine.

And there's a disc by a composer named Fasy which I own that is also enjoyable.

Rebeccah is a yawnfest though O_O

-Joshua

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

The already mentioned Shostakovich and Khachaturian disks are fab.

The Fanelli CD is a must have.

I don't own many of the Sterling CDs, the Pierre Maurice is very interesting.

The last 2 Aurics were also quite good.

Soundwise the earlier recordings (done in Bratislava and other places) are definitly less lively than the Moscow ones. The sound improvement is remarkable since they switched to Moscow. Better players, engineers and better instruments I'd guess.

G.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   cine50   (Member)

I own it because I love the score and because there's no other recording available, but the slack, formless conducting of Adriano does Auric's music no favor. I pray that one day a real conductor will undertake to re-record this film music classic.




Could one even hope that the original tracks (either optical or acetate) still exist? I ask, because when Criterion remastered and re-released BEAUTY AND THE BEAST a few years ago they mentioned in their promotions that they went back to the original elements. I tried to contact them about the OST. But never got a response.

I'd also give a month's wages for the OSTs from the two Russian films, BALLAD OF A SOLDIER AND THE CRANES ARE FLYING.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2006 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I haven't listened to it for a long time, and I never compared it to the OST, but I remember being very happy with the CD. It's an essential golden age European score, a real beauty, no pun intended, and I'd urge anyone to add it to his library.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2006 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   HOELEC3   (Member)

Funnily, i wasn't quite aware of the music to that film... until i got really intrigued watching 'Angels in America', and the first dream sequence that is a deliberate homage to Jean Cocteau's 'Beauty and the Beast'.
The scoring to that scene was very different from Thomas Newman's (awesome) score... and i had to look at the credits at the end to find out it was George Auric's original music.
Since then i bought the NAXOS record, and i must say it is a very pleasing score.
It's so nice when directors pay homages to old films, both in picture and in music !

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2006 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Melchior   (Member)





Could one even hope that the original tracks (either optical or acetate) still exist? I ask, because when Criterion remastered and re-released BEAUTY AND THE BEAST a few years ago they mentioned in their promotions that they went back to the original elements. I tried to contact them about the OST. But never got a response.

I'd also give a month's wages for the OSTs from the two Russian films, BALLAD OF A SOLDIER AND THE CRANES ARE FLYING.


I don´t know about Beauty and the Beast, but I think it´s doubtful that the origínal recordings for this have survived, because nearly all European scores from this time did not survive. However I´ve heard rumours that acetates from Lola Montez are still available. But this are only rumours and I have no proof for it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2011 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bumping this old thread. Love the film, love the score. Very happy with the re-record.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2011 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

Adriano did a lot to further interest in forgotten film and late romantic concert music. AFAIK he doesn't plan to do any film music recordings in the future, concentrating on "Romantic" orchestral works for Sterling instead.

While Adriano (Seriously - Who doesn't want to have a "family" name - Come on - even if it's just a stage name) is a fine scholar, he's a slapdash conductor. I own many of his Marco Polo and a couple of his Sterling discs, and the tempi are stolid, the phrasing flabby and the ensemble playing less-than-tidy.

Some of his discs are adequate (like his Honegger series), others less so. Maybe he should pass the baton to someone more competent to conduct his discoveries...!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2014 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   hadrianus   (Member)

Hi there – and – surprise – with a belated reaction of three years later!
Those who believe that a soundtrack re-recording is a mickeymoused resurrection of the old original soundtrack, have not understood what I aim at with my own interpretations. This kind of “vault purists” should just throw them away and go back cajoling their old historical soundtracks. Or they should read my liner notes, in which I explain why I am doing differently. If a soundtrack is being re-recorded without the image, it should become a different thing; Bernard Herrmann also thought so. Last but not least it should be also mentioned that even in old filmscores, many tracks were recorded in the studio at quite different tempi than they were originally conceived.Those who judge my tempi and interpretations (in symphonic and film music) without being in condition, or capable, to compare them with the original scores are unjust, but every musician has to live with this phenomenon. Some colleagues of mine have been dragged through the mire in similar forums more than I... I know that in the USA they don't liked me doing film music CDs: why on earth should an unknown Swiss be allowed to conduct classic Hollywood filmscores??
Incidentally, I could stumble over many US “slack and formless" CD "yawnfeasts”, and this not only on Varese Sarabande and on Silva Screen; but I would never dare to use such expressions like "he should hand over the baton to someone else" before assuring that I have consulted the scores in question and explaining why exactly and with a bit with more competence. And for sure, not under a pseudonym.
Those who don't like may have seen that since a long time I am not conducting film music anymore. The fact, however, that Naxos is now re-issuing quite a few among those old Marco Polo CDs proves that they are still being sold and appreciated. Last but not least I want to let some more arrogant forum members know, that in the meantime I have conducted 46 slack and formless yawnfeasts on 5 different labels and that the baton is still in my hands - at the age of 70.
Among the greatest compliments I received for my film music CDs, one for “Jane Eyre” came from Bill Stromberg shortly after it was recorded. I always accept technical criticism (tempo/interpretation etc.) if it’s coming from professionals. Compliments are welcome from all the remaining music lovers – but they should be real music lovers and not music forum naggers who think that they know everything better without being able to do the same and have no idea about music making and conducting. Hard judging and condemning is always a dangerous thing: the best way sould be just to say "I personally don't like" something or "I prefer this to that"; it would be more sincere.
Regards from (very) provincial Switzerland
Adriano
www.adrianomusic.com

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2014 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Welcome to the forum! Your Beauty and the Beast album is excellent - coincidentally, I was blasting it in the car repeatedly last week - and I applaud you for recording it. It is one of my most treasured film score albums. Ignore the naysayers. Thank you.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2014 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   hadrianus   (Member)

Welcome to the forum! Your Beauty and the Beast album is excellent - coincidentally, I was blasting it in the car repeatedly last week - and I applaud you for recording it. It is one of my most treasured film score albums. Ignore the naysayers. Thank you.
Thanks, OnyaBirri, you made my day :-)
Send me your address, so I can let you have a CDR of "The Body Snatchers", an incidental music I composed many years ago - which I consider still amusing and valuable. Or is there any of those old Marco Polo CDs you still don't have? You can write through the e-mail link of my homepage.

 
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