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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

I'm sorry. I know this is well trodden ground but the score is just so wonderful....

The combination of traditional songs and original scoring must be one of the most perfect in the history of movie music.

Does anyone here have any insight into the musical construction of the Overture?

Was the whole thing recorded as heard on the CD's and the soundtrack or were score and songs recorded seperately and then edited into the final magnificent piece?

And regarding the complete movie....

Were Newman and Derby conducting/recording to presentation on a giant three panelled screen or by some other means?

Any information would be treasured.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 12:04 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

If you mean the prefilm blank screen overture - it was recorded in sections. its incorrectly edited on the rhino woth the secobnd chorus of Shenandoah missing and the chorus frequently oout of sync with the orchestra -- a mess.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

its incorrectly edited on the rhino with the second chorus of Shenandoah missing and the chorus frequently out of sync with the orchestra -- a mess.

There was a second chorus of Shenandoah in the Overture? Fascinating.

Where exactly is the chorus out of sync?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Sheandoah - the chorus comes in too early, Enless Prarie, the guitar parts and chorus are out of sync. Frankly, the Overture on the Rhino CD is a mess.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Thank you, Joe.

Where did you hear the extended Shenandoah? At a film preview or premiere?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2005 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Don't the the answers to any of the questions, but I must say that I think Newman's main title music is stunning!!! It certainly is one of the finest scores ever composed for films.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2005 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Private tapes have circulated for years made from Alfred Newmans Private tapes. The complete Overture is included in these tapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2005 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   clipton   (Member)

Don't the the answers to any of the questions, but I must say that I think Newman's main title music is stunning!!! It certainly is one of the finest scores ever composed for films.

The main title - along with the rest of the score - is outstanding.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2005 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

If you're interested, Collectors Choice offers the one album (other than their work on WEST)recorded by Dave Guard and the Whiskey Hill Singers.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2005 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   paulw   (Member)

And for those who missed it way back when..

"ArcLight Cinemas,Hollywood will present HOW THE WEST WAS WON in the original 3 strip Cinerama projection process and 7 channel magnetic stereophonic sound for a one week engagement beginning Friday October 28 in the Cinerama Dome. Their will two performances
daily at 1:30 and 7:30 pm. Reserved seat tickets will be available for
purchase at the theatre box office or on the ArcLight website
(www.arclightcinemas.com) beginning October 6. We are also working on a
one night special presentation of Dave Strohmaier's award winning
feature length documentary. CINERAMA ADVENTURE" (date to be announced
shortly.) I invite you to look in rec.arts.movies.tech comments from
our last presentation of HTWWW in September 2003.
This is an event you won't want to miss.
John Sittig, director, Cinerama Inc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2005 - 11:55 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

If you're interested, Collectors Choice offers the one album (other than their work on WEST)recorded by Dave Guard and the Whiskey Hill Singers.

Thanks for mentioning that, Preston. I'm a big Kingston Trio fan and pretty much all of the late fifties-early sixties whitebread "Folk revival." Guard and co. do a swell version of "The Erie Canal" on HTWWW.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2005 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

You're most welcome, Zelig. I was delighted when I made the discovery, as it meant I could have a companion volume of sorts to my beloved HTWWW. I've always loved all the Whiskey Hill contributions to that score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2005 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

You're most welcome, Zelig. I was delighted when I made the discovery, as it meant I could have a companion volume of sorts to my beloved HTWWW. I've always loved all the Whiskey Hill contributions to that score.

Is this a CD and where can it be found????

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2005 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Thanks to Preston and Zelig, can't help joining in. All this talk of the Kingston Trio is wonderful, I've always loved The Reverend Mr. Black, Greenback Dollar and probably my favourite, Charley on the MTA, what glorious memories they evoke, thanks guys.
Niall.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2005 - 10:00 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Collectors Choice, which I mentioned in the message the other day, is a web site that deals in CD's and cassettes. Google away. (You'll even find FSM titles there!)

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2005 - 11:49 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks to Preston and Zelig, can't help joining in. All this talk of the Kingston Trio is wonderful, I've always loved The Reverend Mr. Black, Greenback Dollar and probably my favourite, Charley on the MTA, what glorious memories they evoke, thanks guys.
Niall.


Niall, since you like the John Stewart edition of the trio, you should pick up The Trio's "Capitol Years" boxed set. It has many goodies, like the orchestra-free renditions of the songs they did on the "Something Else" sessions. The songs were perfect before all the goopy arrangements were added on, though I do like those, too.

Many people dislike the "cowboy" songs from HTWWW but I think they're wonderful.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2005 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Bob S   (Member)



Niall, since you like the John Stewart edition of the trio, you should pick up The Trio's "Capitol Years" boxed set. It has many goodies, like the orchestra-free renditions of the songs they did on the "Something Else" sessions. The songs were perfect before all the goopy arrangements were added on, though I do like those, too.

Many people dislike the "cowboy" songs from HTWWW but I think they're wonderful.


Count me among those who loved the addition of the cowboy/pioneer/folk songs to the score of HTWWW. They did much to evoke the era of the extended family saga of the film.

For accuracy's sake the John Stewart/Kingston Trio album with the orchestral overlay was "Something Special" from Capitol in 1962. "Something Else" was the Trio's third album from Decca in 1965 and an attempt to move into the then quite radical, electric guitar world of Folk Rock just decreed that year by Bob Dylan. It is considered by many fans to be unlistenable and was the first Trio album ever not to chart.

The definitive collections of Kingston Trio music are the two boxed sets from Bear Family in Germany. Each contains 10 CDs and a coffee table book. They include almost every track ever recorded by the Dave Guard and the John Stewart configurations of the Trio. There's even a CD of, I'm not kidding, 7-Up commercials from ca. 1958. The boxes are pricey, but for a fan well worth the cost.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2005 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)



Count me among those who loved the addition of the cowboy/pioneer/folk songs to the score of HTWWW. They did much to evoke the era of the extended family saga of the film.

For accuracy's sake the John Stewart/Kingston Trio album with the orchestral overlay was "Something Special" from Capitol in 1962. "Something Else" was the Trio's third album from Decca in 1965 and an attempt to move into the then quite radical, electric guitar world of Folk Rock just decreed that year by Bob Dylan. It is considered by many fans to be unlistenable and was the first Trio album ever not to chart.

The definitive collections of Kingston Trio music are the two boxed sets from Bear Family in Germany. Each contains 10 CDs and a coffee table book. They include almost every track ever recorded by the Dave Guard and the John Stewart configurations of the Trio. There's even a CD of, I'm not kidding, 7-Up commercials from ca. 1958. The boxes are pricey, but for a fan well worth the cost.


"Something Special"! I was even listening to the album when I typed that post! Sorry, my mistake.smile As for the album, I actually like the songs, especially "One More Town" and "Away, Rio." But the lyrics of "Little Boy" are hilarious! With lyrics like "is it my dear mother who showers me with love." I don't even have their Decca recordings. I am familiar with the Bear Family boxes. The four-disc Capitol Years has a couple 7-Up commercials on it and they are pretty amusing.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2005 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Bob S   (Member)



"Something Special"! I was even listening to the album when I typed that post! Sorry, my mistake.smile As for the album, I actually like the songs, especially "One More Town" and "Away, Rio." But the lyrics of "Little Boy" are hilarious! With lyrics like "is it my dear mother who showers me with love." I don't even have their Decca recordings. I am familiar with the Bear Family boxes. The four-disc Capitol Years has a couple 7-Up commercials on it and they are pretty amusing.


No problem, Z. I do the same thing all the time. Before Bear Family came along, the good people at Folk Era put the four Decca LPs onto three CDs, omitting a good deal of the "Something Else" material in the process. They even provided a nice slipcase for the set. I see today two of those CDs are still available at folkera.com. Alas the first (and IMHO the best) Decca is not being offered right now.

Far as "Something Special" goes, I'm most fond of "Pullin' Away" and "Away Rio." I'm also astounded that something as lame as "Strange Day" could ever have been recorded. Even the addition of orchestra couldn't save it.

Brain teaser for the masses: What OSTs featured songs by the Kingston Trio?

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2005 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Don't know about the Trio's film output, but The Brothers Four had "Alvarez Kelly" and The Limelighters performed "Love in the Country" from Mclintock!. There's also a 45RPM of The Brothers Four's version of Tiomkin's "55 Days at Peking."

 
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