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 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

It's Memorial Day, and I'm watching this, thinking of the Masterful performance of Burt Lancaster, Marc Singer, and Craig Wasson. Any thoughts or input on the music or anything?

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I haven't seen it.
But I do like Val Kilmer's SPARTAN.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

A unit of American military advisors in Vietnam prior to the major U.S. involvement find similarities between their helpless struggle against the Viet Cong and the doomed actions of a French unit at the same site a decade before in this bitter look at the beginnings of the Vietnam war.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

The first time he hears about Muc Wa, a military outpost left behind by the French in Vietnam, the Maj. Barker makes his thinking clear. In the early war year of 1964, Muc Wa has no significance; no Cong sightings have been reported within 50 miles. But U.S. headquarters in Da Nang wants Muc Wa occupied and defended, and so it is the task of the major and his men to occupy and defend it. The major is played by Burt Lancaster as a cigar-chewing veteran of Korea, a career soldier. His men are, officially, American military advisers, commanding a ragtag unit of Vietnamese volunteers. He has grave misgivings about the way this war is being run, especially when he's given his own psychological warfare expert, complete with computer printouts and color-coded gadgets to predict where the Cong will strike next. Lancaster knows better: The enemy is everywhere and nowhere, and the assignment of American forces to Muc Wa will serve only to draw Cong there, too. He knows this, and falsifies a report, and his bluff is called, and he winds up sending men to Muc Wa all the same. Sure enough, the Cong turn up. Go Tell the Spartans considers the war in Vietnam in terms of the microcosm of Muc Wa in 1964, and so contains a lot of statements that are meant to be prophetic in hindsight. It also considers the war in terms of countless earlier movies about earlier wars, so we get tried-and-true characters like the gung-ho second lieutenant, the crazy kid, the battle-scarred sergeant, the wise-cracking radio operator and, or course, the commander who has seen it all before. But the clichés do their duty once again, generally speaking; the movie's tightly directed by Ted Post. The director is apparently directing on a modest budget, and yet he creates a realistic war setting and believable characters. The most believable is Lancaster, who brings a nice subtlety to his character. The major should have been promoted long ago, but tells a story (maybe true, maybe not) about why he wasn't. As a field commander, he's tough and realistic. But he's unhappy about this war, and especially about such allies as "Cowboy," his Vietnamese liaison, who lies to torture Cong prisoners and occasionally behead them. The problem with Cowboy, as the movie makes clear, is that he's also a realist. A fatal chain of events begins when the Americans don't believe Cowboy's instincts about who is a Viet Cong and who isn't. But then the movie's about a chain of events based on fatal misunderstandings as the abandoned and overgrown French cemetery at Muc Wa eventually makes clear.

Cast:

Burt Lancaster, Maj. Asa Barker

Craig Wasson, Cpl. Stephen Courcey

Jonathan Goldsmith, Sgt. Oleonowski

Marc Singer, Capt. Al Olivetti

Joe Unger, Lt. Raymond Hamilton

Dennis Howard, Cpl. Abraham Lincoln

David Clennon, Lt. Finley Wattsberg

Evan Kim, Cowboy

John Megna, Cpl. Ackley

Hilly Hicks, Signalman Coffee

Dolph Sweet, Gen. Hamitz

Clyde Kusatsu, Col. Minh

Production Credits:

Producers, Allan F. Bodoh and Mitchell Cannold

Directo,r Ted Post

Screenwriter, Wendell Mayes (based on the novel Incident at Muc Wa by Daniel Ford)

Editor, Millie Moore

Cinematographer, Harry Stradling Jr.

Composer, Dick Halligan

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

How much more to I have to give you?

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

The scene whe Lancaster sends a telegraph message to his commanding general is worth the tickect price alone.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)

Great film on Vietnam. I've seen it several times.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Clearly one of the best Vietnam Films - Rating: 3/5

I first saw this film in the theater. It was genuine. I rate it high. I would recommend it without reservation, except, if what you know about Vietnam you learned from Hollywood or on campus, it may surprise you. It's not about what the other movie makers wanted to show you, to shock you, to entertain, to proselytize. I never kept a scorecard of technical deficiencies, but to my mind, "Go Tell the Spartans was unmatched by Vietnam stories on film until "We Were Soldiers" in 2002, nearly a quarter century later. There were several others that tried hard. One prolific and self-assured reviewer has rated "Spartans" a one star and does a "Siskel and Ebert" number on it, during which, unwittingly, he discredits his own commentary, at least in the eyes of this veteran, when he says Go Tell the Spartans "...is no way comparable to the great post-Vietnam War films...Apocalypse Now, Taxidriver, Platoon, Born in the USA, and finally the devastating Full Metal Jacket..." Really? Apocalypse Now was a fairy tale! It may have been great storyline and cinematography, as were the Lord of the Rings, but fairy tales, none the less. And, Stone's movies seemed more defaming of real soldiers, with political overtones. I returned from Vietnam in 1969. I know a man who was in Vietnam 15 years earlier - 5 years before our country acknowledged our first casualties [The Memorial dates the war from 1959 to 1975]. There are many millions of stories about Vietnam over the course of a changing war that was the longest in our history. Go Tell the Spartans is one such story. It wasn't the most memorable, by Hollywood standards. But it was compelling. And it was the most believable. And, in this veteran's assessment, whatever its warts, Go Tell the Spartans was the best until "We Were Soldiers".

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Somebody should take a look at this film. It shows the problems faced in 1964 by the American military, who did not want to be there in the first place.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)



In 480BCE 300 Spartan Hoplites held a pass for the better part of 3 days against a Persian force that may have numbered over 200,000 men. The Spartans were aided by around 7,000 coalition troops during the first 2 days. However, they were dismissed on the 3rd day. The Spartans, their Helots and the Thespians allies died to a last man. It was one of the most gallant stands in all of military history.

To this day there is an inscription on the funeral mound @ Thermopylae that serves as a memorial to their sacrifice. An English translation is as follows:

GO TELL THE SPARTANS, STRANGER PASSING BY
THAT HERE OBEDIENT TO THEIR LAWS WE LIE.

The title of this movie is an allusion to Thermopylae. However, the film itself is about the earliest days of Vietnam. It recounts a time not long after the fall of Dien Bien Pu; an epoch when the U.S. did not have a commitment of a significant number of troops. During the period covered in this movie all that we had over there were a handful of military advisors.

The film details an obscure event at a Vietnam village known as Muc Wa. Although the battle itself will not likely even find its way into the footnotes of history, it nevertheless serves as an excellent "premonition" of what was to come. It narrates how much the U.S. underestimated the fighting prowess and resolve of the Viet Cong. In fact, Muc Wa can be said to be a microcosm of how the entire Vietnam War went for the United States.

The cast of the film is fairly impressive. The lead is taken by Burt Lancaster who portrays a Major who is asked to do the impossible with almost no resources at all. A very young Marc Singer plays his XO. Craig Wasson (best known for his leading role in Brian Depalma's BODY DOUBLE) plays a shy young corporal.

This is a terrific Vietnam movie that encapsulates just about everything that went wrong for the U.S. in the ill-fated conflict. It's a must see for all who seek to learn and understand the facts of the early stages and how it all went downhill from there.



 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Go Find it, and see it!

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

I went and did my bit for the Viet Vets, nobody wanted to take the call.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2005 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

You know, ya better hug those guys, on the street, or wherever you find 'em. Damnit! we have to show them the same love that we show the other guys. The sad thing is that they might be 60 years old. Do what you can for a Vet., that's all that I can say.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2005 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Soldiers of this G-Dmn forgotten war, I salute you, and try to welcome you home!

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2005 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Yes, this is my G--D--mn post, for those soldiers that cannot speak, or what the h-ll is Memorial day for, if not to remember them?

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2005 - 1:52 AM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Damn sad thing that I have to post to my own posts.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2005 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

Nice to see that you all hopped on to my post. Did ANY of you read it?

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2005 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   Valere   (Member)

SOLDIERS, fighting in a foreign land.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2005 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   CAT   (Member)

Valere...

I feel terrible that your post was overlooked. All I can say is that it happens sometimes, especially over a holiday (Memorial Day in this case) when fewer people are on the board.

Regardless of the reason, I happened upon it now, and I assure you, you have my attention. I haven't seen "Go Tell the Spartans," but I shall definately try to find it and watch it. And it is your passion about it, dear sir, which has prompted me to do so.

BTW: Spent the afternoon with my brother-in-law who is a Viet Nam vet, and yes, I hug him every chance I get. In fact, I make it a point to thank the vets from all wars for their service whenever I meet one. It's the very least we can do, and it does matter.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2005 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   James Phillips   (Member)

Valere,

This is the first time I have seen your post on this film. It is time someone recognize this film as a realistic addition to what is now the Vietnam legacy.

I saw this film in New Jersey when it first opened due to positive reviews and then not too long afterwards, died off in boxoffice returns and disappeared until it showed up on HBO.

At first, I thought Burt Lancaster was too old for the role, but talking to veterans, some of the earliest American advisors had experience from Korea and World War II.

 
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