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What a fantastic score and what a fantastic release by Percepto. But why did they put dialogue over some of the score ? "Blanket`s Dream" and "Busby Berkley" are such terrific cues. The dialogue parts really destroy the listenig experience. Since Newman himself produced the album I guess he for whatever reasons thought that those samples from the film make the CD a better listening experience. And although I usually enjoy all of David Newman`s creative decisions I do have to disagree this time. That reminds me of the soundtrack album of "Rover Dangerfield" which also was produced by Newman. Here too was some great music absolutely devastated by some useless dialogue from the film.
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Mar 6, 2005 - 12:12 AM
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DeviantMan
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It may be that, in some cases, a composer like Newman, feels creative placement of dialogue enhances the original purpose of the music when separated from its inspirational source (ie the film visuals). When dialogue is added, sparsely and creatively, its okay, but like with RAY & ARACHNOPHOBIA... inept overplacement of dialogue bits detract from the music. It also reminds the listener that THIS IS MUSIC FROM such-n-such FILM and not some classical movement from a forgotten symphony. PS: Thank you Taylor White for informing us that the dialogue was included because the only source for certain cues contained dialogue that was unremovable, which under the circumstances, a shame and a blessing. It is a great CD, thank you!
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I, too, was VERY unhappy with the dialogue on this otherwise fine cd.
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Its still very worthwhile -- the dialogue and sfx only contaminate 3 out of the 27 tracks.
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Its still very worthwhile -- the dialogue and sfx only contaminate 3 out of the 27 tracks. Get over it already... The score is quite good and you people bitch about a little dialogue excepts.. Give a life already. Ford A. Thaxton
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I think they are annoyed of the dialogue because it does not belong on a cd that has to focus on the music. It is more about the principal. I have ordered this CD too but it is still not here yet so i can't tell wether the rant is justified or not. As long as it is not as awful as Decca record's "more music from..." dialogue releases interrupted by music.
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Maybe the dialogue helped to grease the wheels in licensing the title. Ryan
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Why don't YOU get a life and stop bitching abourt us bitching? -Joshua Because you deseve it? This is a really great release and too bitch about three tracks with a little dialogue it pity and uncalled for. IMHO of course. Ford A. Thaxton
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The dialogue pieces are indeed only on 2 score cues, so it`s not that bad, but "Blanket`s Dream" is such a wonderful scherzo/action cue. The dialogue unfortunately distracts from the music. It would be interesting to find out, why Taylor White and David Newman chose to include the dialogue. I mean the CD is a dream come true and the booklet is great. The performance by the japanese orchestra is first class and the sound in most parts is very good. The only disappointment is the fact that the recording is a bit overmodulated (I hope it`s the correct english term) during some of the louder passages. Just listen to the end of track 26 "Finale". I guess it has to do with the original engineering in Japan and not with the superb production of this lovely CD.
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Mar 6, 2005 - 9:07 PM
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percepto
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A note from me, Taylor White, the producer of THE BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER: In answer to your jabs and inquiries, the fact is that the original master tapes for THE BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER simply don’t exist anymore. (Yes, incredible as it seems, there are scores from less than 20 years ago that DO NOT EXIST anymore!) The only source we had to work with was a very clean set of 1/4” reel-to-reel back-ups from David Newman’s private collection, which sadly were NOT 100% complete. Our only choice in maintaining the presentation of the complete score was to include the tracks with dialogue and sound effects or not at all. As a soundtrack buyer, I, too, despise ANY hint of dialogue or sound effects on soundtracks. But as a soundtrack producer, it’s my personal policy to offer the entire score, even if forced to make certain minor concessions. If we’d dropped the tracks altogether, I’m sure the outcry would have been much louder and more snide than a few of the previous posts. (Surprisingly, no one has noticed that David Newman actually rescored certain overlays, which had also gone missing. I’m happy that his work has proved to be seamless!) And to the chap responsible for the following quote: “...you should really reconsider your role in the soundtrack collectors' business (IMHO).” Believe me, there’s not a day that goes by that I don’t regret starting Percepto. I’m extremely proud of our past sixteen releases, but the personal, emotional and financial cost of bringing you soundtracks that inevitably get criticized, mocked or just plain ignored is positively soul-crushing. As I’ve said on these boards in the past: Be grateful for what you’ve been given as it all may dry up much sooner than you think. Lastly, in response to those European buyers who ordered BLT and have not received it yet, feel free to e-mail my assitant Jodi at mrpercepto@yahoo.com and she can tell you exactly which day your order was shipped and by what method. Taylor White Percepto Records
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Dear Mr. White, thanks for that information. Like I already said, the CD is terrific. Actually all Percepto CDs that I own are great. "The Boy who could fly" for example is one of my all time favorite soundtrack albums. (Surprisingly, no one has noticed that David Newman actually rescored certain overlays, which had also gone missing. I’m happy that his work has proved to be seamless!) That indeed is quite amazing.
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Mar 7, 2005 - 1:50 PM
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Olivier
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More praise for The Little Toaster, music & CD (I don't know the movie)-- and you'll find an e-mail from me, Mr White. Concerning the dialogue & effects, though it's a pity, as I assumed, it's simply because it is all there's left of the music, which you can still hear pretty well, especially as the original composition & mixing were done well enough to accommodate both dialogue & music in a satisfying way. More praise for Percepto as well. The Boy Who Could Fly is a very nice Broughton score, which was very well produced. The Dreamer of Oz is splendidly produced, with a gorgeous booklet filled with pictures and information. The Ghost and Mr Chicken, The Nightwalker, The Haunted Palace have been produced with the same care. I'll stop here. The Percepto team obviously put their hearts in these releases and deserve pats in the back, not stabs. As Taylor White said, not including those tracks would have led to an outrageous outcry. You could say the same for the songs, which break the flow of the score-- or might have lamented their not being included. Maybe indeed it should have been noted that a few cues include dialogue & sound effects, but that's really the only reproach that can be made. Besides, they're okay. I don't like dialogue in tracks nor dialogue-only tracks, yet I'm not too bothered by these, even though it would clearly have been better to have only the music. the first instance adds a bit of emotion; the second one is funny; the effects in track 10 are part & parcel of the score as the sounds play a tune (that of the first song, "City of Light"). To quote that song, that's no reason for "a fuss and a fight". Congratulations & many thanks to Percepto ! Even more thanks as Mr White even threw in a gift (as announced a while back) to make up for the delay (which I believe he was not responsible for)-- a very kind gesture which those posting nasty remarks failed to mention.
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