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Mar 31, 2001 - 8:44 AM
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Gunnar
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Is there anybody out there who could recommend Rosenman’s ‚Lord of the Rings‘? Or, to be more precise:- Is it a ‚must-have‘? - What other popular score could you liken it to? - How's the sound quality? - Would it be compatible with my taste if I usually buy Williams, don’t buy Zimmer and deny that I used to buy James horner? As always, recommendations are always appreciated. You guys introduced my to Korngold, and I’m still grateful for that!
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Yes, I'll gladly commence the (I hope) numerous responses by saying that I can unresevedly recommend this CD.In specific: I can't say that it's a must-have. But then, this is entertainment: NOTHING is a must-have. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif"> However, I consider it to be a particularly rich score, with some action cues easily matching anything that John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith have done. What would I complare it to? Hmm ... that's a tough one. For some reason, Trevor Jones's score to "The Dark Crystal" comes to mind. I can't comment on sound-quality; I don't have sufficiently well-trained ears. But I can't pick any problems with it. If you buy John Williams scores, and (apparently) dislike Zimmer's then I'm presuming that you prefer a more traditional scoring and orchestrational approach. On this basis, I'd certainly recommend this music, as I would also recommend John Debney's "CutThroat Island", and Danny Elfman's "Batman" and "Batman Returns". Regards, David Ferstat ------------------ ----------------------------- Check out: http://iinet.net.au/~dferstat Regularly updated! -----------------------------
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Mar 31, 2001 - 12:55 AM
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Spacehunter
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Don't worry, man. 40 ain't "old" in my book. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif">If I remember correctly, I think a lot of Bakshi's animated stuff is somewhat adult-oriented, correct? So I assume LORD OF THE RINGS is different from his usual stuff and is more kid-oriented? np ARMAGEDDON
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Mar 31, 2001 - 1:47 AM
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H. Rocco
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If you get the Intrada CD, which I heartily recommend, be prepared for the fact that the film's beautiful main theme is developed THROUGHOUT the score, not announced right at the start. Much of the score is dissonant, even repetitive (but what film score is not), more in line with the works of later composers inspired by Rosenman such as John Corigliano and Elliot Goldenthal. If you like anything they've done, you SHOULD love this. I think it's Leonard Rosenman's finest work for movies, and a crown jewel in any collection. (In its original double LP release, it was also one of the bestselling orchestral soundtracks of the 1970s.)I don't know how you prefer to listen to albums, but for a first-timer, I'd start them off with the magnificent "Helm's Deep" and just play out the rest of the score to the end, THEN start at the beginning. Hats off again to Intrada for making the CD sound so perfect and beautiful -- a thousand miles better than the ghastly double LP version. NP: "The Five Sacred Trees" (John Williams)
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Is it a ‚must-have‘?For me, Rosenman's Lord of the Rings is one of the very best works ever composed. It depends on your tastes, of course, but if you like it, then it's a must-have. Would it be compatible with my taste if I usually buy Williams, don’t buy Zimmer and deny that I used to buy James horner? I usually buy Williams, don't buy Zimmer, and used to buy (and still do sometimse) James Horner. You guys introduced my to Korngold, and I’m still grateful for that! I love Korngold! http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif"> What other popular score could you liken it to? Hard to tell. i think it's been described above very well. It's very similar to the other Rosenman scores I've heard, meaning that some of the snippets of his Apes scores that I've heard sound like they're taken straight out of LOTR (of course, they were composed earlier), and that there's a similar piece in the main themes of LOTR and ST 4, which could seamlessly combine the two works. How's the sound quality? On the original album, horrible. On the Intrada re-release it's very good, and in fact so much better that some tracks sound totally different. I never noticed the Blaster Beam on the original CD. The original release had a shorter version of the main theme march at the beginning of the CD, but the Intrada release wisely removes this piece, at it was not in the film and the whole score works by slowly developing the main theme and only revealing it in it's fully developed form at the very end. The Intrada release also contains liner notes and a short analysis of each track by Rosenman himself, in his typical self-confident (to express it kindly) but informative style. In short: This is one of the best, most amazing, most inspiring and most complex scores you'll ever hear. As for the film, it's really bad, but I still love it because with all the things they did wrong, it's still Lord of the Rings (though butchered). The film stops in the middle of the story, but it introduced me to the novel, and I still enjoy watching it - WHERE'S A DVD RELEASE!? NP: The Final Conflict (Jerry Goldsmith)
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SjONGBIrD, the film starts with a brief overview of the history of the Ring (like it is explained in the chapter "The Shadow of the Past" in the book), which is underscored by "History of the Ring" - which is the first track on the album.And I think Rocco was trying exactly the same as you. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/wink.gif">
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Mar 31, 2001 - 2:56 AM
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H. Rocco
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Danke schoen, Dutzfreund http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/biggrin.gif">I'm well aware that the score is presented chronologically on the Intrada disc -- and I really do worry that if a neophyte is made to sit through the entire album from start to finish, he or she will want to throw the thing across the room within half an hour. The last few cues are, to me, among the album's most powerful, and all back-to-back. If you can get someone to fall in love with "Helm's Deep" and the "End Credits" first, then appreciating the rest shouldn't be as big a problem at all. But the gloomy, murky nature of most of the picture is inevitably echoed by the music, and I just think that someone unused to the film or the soundtrack might be unnecessarily turned off. I say all this having no idea of what Gunnar's stamina, likes or dislikes genuinely are. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/biggrin.gif">
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I always find it amazing that I was very fond of the main theme, and the music when Theoden faces the Orc army at the end of the film, when I was about 11, or perhaps 12, years old. Only several years later would I discover film music, but the original CD release was an album I bought as soon as I could find it. That was still a long time before I'd hear the name "Goldenthal", and not the type of music I'd expect to have liked at that time, but I always found the score amazing.NP: Hellraiser (Christopher Young)
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I don't know about the sound quality of the LP, but the original CD sounds like it was recorded by a 30-piece orchestra in a 3m² room. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/wink.gif">Although I like the way the harp stands out in "The Journey Begins" on the first release, it's much louder than on the Intrada version. quote: Originally posted by SjONGBIrD: And btw - both of you - in my view - are two of the most outstanding posters here on this board.
Why, thanks! http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif"> I guess a DVD release might never happen, given the bad reviews of the film. I could imagine though that it'd sell very well. What bothers me is that now would probably the best time for a release, when everybody is anticipating Peter Jackson's trilogy. After that has been released, I'm sure considerably fewer people will be interested in the Bakshi version.
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Certainly one of Rosenman's greatest accomplishments. The discordant stuff may deter some, but Rosenman's skills for texture, nuance, and intricate layering makes even the most incidental music into fascinating little set pieces. One reviewer called it "Rosenman's granite-hewn edifice"; what are you waiting for?
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Apr 1, 2001 - 3:01 AM
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Gunnar
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Well, thanks a lot to everyone who has voiced his opinion on Rosenman’s LOTR. I guess I’ll have to order it pretty soon. I’m currently in the middle of reading the novels, so it would be nice to have some tailor-made music to accompany that. And I also liked that, despite of the discussions going on elsewhere on this board, the FSMMB was again a very useful resource (if only for me).
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