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 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

This is a score that never really engaged me when it first came out.
One of the main reasons for that was the Main Theme sounding distractingly similar to Harnell's Lonely Man INCREDIBLE HULK TV theme.
Another was Paolo Steffan's harsh electronic stabs replacing the class and finesse of earlier Donaggio compositions during the more frightful moments.
I honestly believe that Donaggio's music overall suffered with his incorporation of Paolo Steffan to his writing and performance.
But maybe that's just me.
Anyway, I couldn't find a thread about this score and I've just listened to it for the first time in years.
The Harnell is still a distraction, but less so as the years have passed.
However, the thriller stuff is still ruined somewhat, for me, by the synth blasts.
I was never a fan of the film either. I really liked DePalma at the time, but this one just played too hokey for me, even worse than BODY DOUBLE.
What do others think?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

*poke*

Big fave of mine, one of my first "I'm ditching cassettes for newfangled cds!" titles.

In hindsight, listening now, it's a frustrating one.
There is at least one MAJOR flub in the horns, Massara should have stopped & redone. No, I'm not telling where, your welcome. They did get the same identical phrase right in another cue, however...this is on my list of Please Re-Record (When Sows Soar).

The sequencing always bugged me too - dropping a droll suspense cue 'The Plan' towards the end kills the flow. The electronics started getting in the way, more overbearing, right about here too.

Ok, gripes done, maybe the last brilliant Pino/Brian collab, free of temp tracks, allowing PD some great focused attention (Flying Babies!!). If only more films catered to score like DePalma...
I also want nuts about the film but recommend the recent blu - its aging well enough & there is an interesting re-edit worth seeing for curiosity sake.

Cheers KMG!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Haha, I knew I could count on you to share the Pino Love, Sean smile
Yeah, some recording sound distortion in tracks 2 & 3 (Tricking Karen & Cain Takes Over).
It's deffo playing better now than it did back in '92 though, but then, the ensuing years haven't been that kind to film music, have they! wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

The film is one of my favorites DePalma (toghether with Blow Out and Body Double). I know none of these movies are considered among his best but even knowing that they are not as good as Dressed to Kill or Carrie, somehow I like them much more than those (I even like The Fury very much...)

In Raising Cain the constant plot twists, the setpieces, the slow motion final sequence, the Psycho car in swamp scene, the scare in the end and above all the completely over the top performance by John Lithgow all works for me.

I also loved the score. Some tracks in the movie are different (likely with some rescored overlays to make them more dramatic (like the wife in hospital and ending of flying babies). I’d love a remastered complete version of this one. IMO the last great movie from DePalma.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

You know it, love that Pino buddy!
Just ordered that new limited 300 copy...dont even know what it is, 2 dramas or something...who cares its PD, even sub par will do, things have been so dull lately.
Add that distortion to my list of gripes! I wish someone would at least remaster this...where dis the old Milan catalog land??

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

It's not the immediate classic of a BLOW OUT or DRESSED TO KILL, but it's a definitely a grower. Every time I listen to it I think, "why don't I listen to this more often?"

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

A gorgeous, exciting score that I've listened to countless times. Top 5 Donaggio for sure, with "Love Wins" being one of his all-time greatest pieces.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

danbeck, while BODY DOUBLE is a bit hokey but wholly enjoyable (to me anyway), I consider BLOW OUT to be one of his absolute best films ever.
Don't know what others think, but for me, BLOW OUT is a friggin masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2018 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

RAISING CAIN..hated the film. Just couldn’t connect with it and I think that coloured my opinion of Pino’s music as well. Tried playing the cd a few times but apart from one track ( Cain takes over) just never got into it.
BLOW OUT... now THERE’S a fabulous Pino score and belter of a film as well. That ending scene...gets me every time. For years I had the Japanese LP issued at the time and never even realised it was a re recording. It was a bit of a revelation when the proper cd came out. Joint favourite with DRESSED TO KILL. ( just don’t think Pino could ever top ‘The Museum’)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Flying Babies!
What a great track title smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Sean. I just heard the flub you mentioned!!
Wow!
Around the 2'45 section of the last track (Love Wins).
You're right, Natale really shoulda redone that one.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Sean. I just heard the flub you mentioned!!
Wow!
Around the 2'45 section of the last track (Love Wins).
You're right, Natale really shoulda redone that one.


Aye, busted :-(
I know it's a big moment, lots happening , but still...
What happens when there is, gasp, counter lines not just 100 players hammering the same chords.

The correctly played phrase IS in trk.4 'Love Memories' at least...

Good discussion, this! I DID hate this at first, film & score because it wasn't DtoK or Body Dub. Grew on me though and since this collab kind of wound down, Cain advanced by default.
I never understood how y'all didnt go as ga-ga as I do over Body Double. One set piece after another, composer truly a star of the show. I had a coronary when Intrada got it on disc. Literally.
Blow Out is certainly in that company, but damn what a rough movie. Still rips my heart out. Terrific DePalma was able to keep that toughie ending intact.
Love those timps here!

Cheerrrrrrrs
S~

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I listened to a bit of Donaggio lately, and RAISING CAIN is sadly missing from my soundtrack collection, despite the fact that I got most of the other De Palma/Donaggio collaborations (I don't have SNAKE EYES, though IIRC Donaggio was originally attached but his score was not used? Don't know for sure anymore) and like them a lot.
I should get RAISING CAIN though.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Wow I can't believe I didn't chime in when this thread got started - must not have been around.

I LOVE Raising Cain - kind of my favorite DePalma, when it isn't Blow Out (which absolutely blew me away when I saw it first run - first time I thought Travolta was a real actor).

So fun that he gives so much for Lithgow to do, and such a cool twist at the climax - and just giddily over the top.

Always enjoyed the score very much as well, of course - but nothing much to add there.

Except - as a musician I've learned you have to learn to love your mistakes. Music isn't perfect unless it's made by machines. Makes it human.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"I don't have SNAKE EYES, though IIRC Donaggio was originally attached but his score was not used? Don't know for sure anymore"
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Interesting.
I've never heard that before.
As far as I knew, the only score DePalma ever rejected was Alan Silvestri's, for the first MISSION IMPOSSIBLE film, in favour of a Danny Elfman replacement.
It's hard to believe he would toss a PD score from one of his films.
Anyone 'In Da Know' care to confirm/deny?

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

"I don't have SNAKE EYES, though IIRC Donaggio was originally attached but his score was not used? Don't know for sure anymore"
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Interesting.
I've never heard that before.
As far as I knew, the only score DePalma ever rejected was Alan Silvestri's, for the first MISSION IMPOSSIBLE film, in favour of a Danny Elfman replacement.
It's hard to believe he would toss a PD score from one of his films.
Anyone 'In Da Know' care to confirm/deny?


Yes, I would be very interested in that too, Wikipedia has it listed among Donaggio's filmography, but that could just be a mistake. It would be weird for De Palma to reject a Donaggio score, as they go way back and why would he hire Donaggio if he didn't want a Donaggio score?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pino_Donaggio

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Sad to see Sean (Goblin Score) doesn't post here anymore.
He's one of the Good Guys.
Hope you're well and still look-in from time to time mate.

 
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