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 Posted:   Oct 7, 2018 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

This was on Talking Pictures TV here in the UK over the weekend. A very stodgy affair, to be sure, though I do like Maurice Jarre's score and wish it was on CD.

However, I've been trying to discover who wrote the songs that were apparently discarded after several weeks of shooting, but with no luck so far. Any ideas, anyone?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Never even heard of this one, I'm afraid, so can't help with your query.
I take it this score was never even released on LP at the time?
What's the Jarre score like? I'm guessing orchestral and slightly off-centre, in that inimitable Jarre way wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   skyross   (Member)

There was an LP issued

Track listing

1. Great Expectations (03:05)
2. On The Way To Satis House (03:44)
3. Miss Havisham (02:48)
4. Pip Esquire (03:32)
5. Dance Card (02:58)
6. Leaving For London (02:33)
7. Grande Waltz (02:22)
8. Estella (03:59)
9. The Convict Magwich (03:08)
10. Finding A Way (02:42)
11. A Sick Fancy (Magwich's Death) (04:51)
12. Beyond Friendship (02:28)

Total Duration: 00:38:10

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Never even heard of this one, I'm afraid, so can't help with your query.
I take it this score was never even released on LP at the time?
What's the Jarre score like? I'm guessing orchestral and slightly off-centre, in that inimitable Jarre way wink


Uh huh smile
This is like Henry praising a Conti score, so take that into consideration...
It's one of those loopy, off kilter waltzy scores, grown from the tree of Ryan's Daughter. Sounds like a fairly large orchestra but the Pye recording belies that if so...

Dont know about the songs - never heard them, never released, sorry OP.
I'm forever indebted to a lovely, knowledgable, respected & lovely member of this board when I think of this score. Yes, lovely twice, I know. Awesome guy.
There are a few minutes in SLIGHTLY better sound on the Universal 4cd box.

Cheers,
Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   martyn.crosthwaite   (Member)

Never even heard of this one, I'm afraid, so can't help with your query.
I take it this score was never even released on LP at the time?
What's the Jarre score like? I'm guessing orchestral and slightly off-centre, in that inimitable Jarre way wink


Uh huh smile
This is like Henry praising a Conti score, so take that into consideration...
It's one of those loopy, off kilter waltzy scores, grown from the tree of Ryan's Daughter. Sounds like a fairly large orchestra but the Pye recording belies that if so...

Dont know about the songs - never heard them, never released, sorry OP.
I'm forever indebted to a lovely, knowledgable, respected & lovely member of this board when I think of this score. Yes, lovely twice, I know. Awesome guy.
There are a few minutes in SLIGHTLY better sound on the Universal 4cd box.

Cheers,
Sean


The score was recorded at CTS in London with the New Philharmonia Orchestra [ ldr: Desmond Bradley ] in 1974 .

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Thanks to all who have responded. I'm rather fond of the old Pye album and it's a shame Castle Music (Sanctuary Music) never got around to releasing it on CD, but maybe ITC own the masters and some licensing problems prevented it at that time.

It's odd that the writers of the jettisoned songs remain so distinctly anonymous. On the good old www I can find several references to the fact that the film was going to be a musical, but nothing at all about the identity of the songwriters...

If the musical version had gone ahead, I wonder who the MD and arranger would have been? I doubt it would have been Jarre. Also, I wonder if a choreographer was ever engaged before the musical thing was dropped?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Never even heard of this one, I'm afraid, so can't help with your query.
I take it this score was never even released on LP at the time?
What's the Jarre score like? I'm guessing orchestral and slightly off-centre, in that inimitable Jarre way wink



The score was recorded at CTS in London with the New Philharmonia Orchestra [ ldr: Desmond Bradley ] in 1974 .


Thank you Martyn! News I can use, much appreciated.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Never knew this was supposed to be a musical... Jarre's score is quite lovely and at the top of my wishlist as one of the major pieces of his catalogue that has yet to make it to the CD...

ditto with YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE, which should be just gathering dust at MGM vaults.
GREAT EXPECTATIONS who knows why this hasn't been released on CD yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2018 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Interesting wasn't aware of GE, only Gatsby - Riddle, this being a part musical maybe it would be Kritzerland's park, I like Jarre's music a musical would be a nice release - thanks good post.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I talked to Michael York about this many years ago.
They decided to drop the songs and they never got recorded or rehearsed.
York was frustrated as he always wanted to do a musical.
He was in both Cabaret and Lost Horizon, but his character had no songs in either one.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Just by coincidence, I've got a somewhat relevant CD--R playing in the car now. It's a homemade jobby someone sent me years ago from the Anthhony Newley fan club. (There was/is? such a thing.) It's got all the music from the 1975 Dickens screen musical, "Mr. Quilp." (AKA "The Old Curiosity Shop.")

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073480/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Apparently film composers were being approached to score Dickens musicals in this mini-trend/attempt to cash in on some of that "Oliver" dough. The score this time out was by Elmer Bernstein, lyrics by Newley.

I'm trying to get into it, but someone is singing about his "recipe for happiness pie," and I think I'm gonna yak. Maybe it's better on the second listen?

Of course the most famous non-"Oliver" Dickens musical has got to be the Bricusse "Scrooge." Let's bemoan the fact that it's 2018 and there's still no CD of the movie version (although the stage version is out, right?)

There's also a Menken musical of "A Christmas Carol," done for TV too.

Besides "A Tale of Two Cities" and "Pickwick," am I forgetting any other Dickens stage or screen musicals? Time to visit ibdb.com again . . .

"Drood" was the one I forgot.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2018 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   David Charles   (Member)

I have a copy of the 'Great Expectations' lp. I think it's a lovely score.
With regard to 'Mr Quilp' I really like this musical. The video I managed to find was from America and was butchered - three songs removed - 'Happiness Pie' ( the reprise was included), 'Quilp' and 'Every Dog Has Its Day'
I'm jealous of the previous writer. I'd love a copy of all the music.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I have a copy of the 'Great Expectations' lp. I think it's a lovely score.
With regard to 'Mr Quilp' I really like this musical. The video I managed to find was from America and was butchered - three songs removed - 'Happiness Pie' ( the reprise was included), 'Quilp' and 'Every Dog Has Its Day'
I'm jealous of the previous writer. I'd love a copy of all the music.



Hi, David! I can't believe it's been five years since we discussed this movie, in this thread:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99066


Found this in my old emails:

Paul Goodhead

p.goodhead [at] virgin.net

. . . and it was the "Anthony Newley Appreciation Society," my mistake.

I recently ordered a DVD of a complete "Quilp!" movie online. I feel I should probably wait for it to arrive, and see what it's like, before I vouch for it here. What do you think?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The 1974 British production of GREAT EXPECTATIONS had a lot going for it--a stellar cast headed by Michael York, Sarah Miles, and James Mason; sumptuous photography by Freddie Young; and a musical score by Maurice Jarre and the New Philharmonia Orchestra of London. It also had songs written by Norman Sachs and Mel Mandel, because the film was intended to be a musical. But for reasons unknown, the songs were dropped, and the film aired as a straight drama when it was telecast on NBC on 24 November 1974. That version ran 103 minutes, but when the film was released theatrically in Europe (still without the songs), it ran about 20 minutes longer.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2018 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   That Bloke   (Member)

According to Australian film critic Bill Collins the songs were cut because the director or producers (I forget whom, sorry) felt they weren't good enough. Mr Collins also added the script was not rewritten to allow for the removed songs but left intact, so the characters often spoke as though they were about to burst into song.

I recall this information from decades ago when Bill Collins presented the film on one of our local TV channels and before the screening would give a brief chat about the making of whatever film was being presented. Sometimes his chats were more entertaining than the films.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

The 1974 British production of GREAT EXPECTATIONS had a lot going for it--a stellar cast headed by Michael York, Sarah Miles, and James Mason; sumptuous photography by Freddie Young; and a musical score by Maurice Jarre and the New Philharmonia Orchestra of London. It also had songs written by Norman Sachs and Mel Mandel, because the film was intended to be a musical. But for reasons unknown, the songs were dropped, and the film aired as a straight drama when it was telecast on NBC on 24 November 1974. That version ran 103 minutes, but when the film was released theatrically in Europe (still without the songs), it ran about 20 minutes longer.



Thank you, Bob, for identifying the songwriters. I'm not too familiar with them but a quick google reveals they did an off-Broadway musical called "Old Friends" and a TV adaptation of "A Christmas Carol" (reset in the American South and called "Skinflint"!), both in 1979.

They also seem to have written English versions of several Strauss operettas and the lyrics for the "Tunes Of Glory" theme.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   David Charles   (Member)

Hi Sigerson

You're right it has been long while since we discussed this. I'll. keep my fingers crossed for the DVD you've ordered. The songs we must hope are included are:
Happiness Pie. Sung be Nell
Quilp.(complete). Sung by Quilp
Every Dog Has Its Day. Sung by Quilp

The American release had:
Quilp. (One verse removed)
Sport of Kings
When a Felon Needs a Friend
Somewhere
Happiness Pie (Reprise)
Forgotten to Forget

In the meantime, returning to the subject of this thread, let's hope a CD of 'Great Expectations' will be release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

This is on talking pictures over the weekend (uk tv)

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

David, it came in the mail today, and it looks unlicensed. We're not supposed to discuss bootlegs here at the board, and I've antagonized the administrator enough lately with my political posts. May I contact you privately with my comments?

I am sigersonholmes [at] Hotmail.com.

 
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