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How much music is missing from the Roundtable release?
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Sep 25, 2018 - 9:12 PM
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OnyaBirri
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Barry definitely kept his progressions simple during the 90s, but in the first three decades of his career he was one of the most original film composers out there in both harmonic and melodic terms.
People like Goldsmith certainly used serial techniques early on, but ironically enough, Barry's lyrical themes from the 60s and 70s were actually more adventuresome harmonically than Goldsmith's lyrical themes were, and many other composers' themes for that matter.
Just sayin'.
Alex
Don't know how you're defining "lyrical" themes. I would say that "In Like Flint," "The Last Run" and "Chinatown" are harmonically more interesting than, say, "Born Free" or "Midnight Cowboy," let alone "Dances with Wolves" (a terrible film, incidentally).
I tend to avoid westerns, war films, and epics, so if Goldsmith scored any of those and they included lyrical themes, I wouldn't know them. The Goldsmith I like is stuff like Twilight Zone (TV, not the film), City of Fear, Seconds, Shock Treatment, Flint x 2, Planet of the Apes, Chinatown, Logan's Run, others I'm surely forgetting. I check out after his wonderful late 70s string of sci-fi schlock.
I realize that we may be picking up on different details in our listening experiences.
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Sep 25, 2018 - 9:45 PM
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Alex Klein
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Don't know how you're defining "lyrical" themes. I would say that "In Like Flint," "The Last Run" and "Chinatown" are harmonically more interesting than, say, "Born Free" or "Midnight Cowboy," let alone "Dances with Wolves" (a terrible film, incidentally).
I tend to avoid westerns, war films, and epics, so if Goldsmith scored any of those and they included lyrical themes, I wouldn't know them. The Goldsmith I like is stuff like Twilight Zone (TV, not the film), City of Fear, Seconds, Shock Treatment, Flint x 2, Planet of the Apes, Chinatown, Logan's Run, others I'm surely forgetting. I check out after his wonderful late 70s string of sci-fi schlock.
I realize that we may be picking up on different details in our listening experiences.
'Lyrical' themes as in 'Love' Themes.
If the Goldsmith you like is in the 'Logan's Run' territory (an extraordinary score), perhaps the Barry you should try is 'The White Buffalo', 'Boom', 'Seance on a Wet Afternoon', 'The Whisperers', 'Deadfall' and 'The Deep'.
Granted, none of these are as complex as 'Logan's Run' (hardly any other score is!), but they do have plenty of chromaticism and angular harmonies.
It's interesting to note, moreover, that Barry certainly could handle dissonance with great results, but it simply didn't move him as much as his simple melodies did.
Alex
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I own both.
.nuff said!
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How much music is missing from the Roundtable release?
The most significant pieces missing from the Round Table album are:
1. Stockhausen's Hymnen excepts
2. Gasoline Alley
3. The comedic music with the expedition and the balloon
4. The sunset sequence. I absolutely adore that. It's on the Silva CD but it doesn't sound right.
5. The montage sequence where the boy stands on one leg and we get a surreal sequence of sounds and images. This is one of my favourite pieces of 'missing' music. It's on the Silva CD, but it doesn't sound right.
6. The sequences at the end where The Boy does his dance and then dies.
7. The end title music. Bizarrely this was missing from the Silva recording too.
There's a few little bits too.
I enjoy the Silva Screen CD the same way I enjoy Gerhardt's Empire Strikes Back, but it's not a perfect soundalike and it doesn't nail the nuances of Barry's recording.
Cheers
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If the Goldsmith you like is in the 'Logan's Run' territory (an extraordinary score), perhaps the Barry you should try is 'The White Buffalo', 'Boom', 'Seance on a Wet Afternoon', 'The Whisperers', 'Deadfall' and 'The Deep'.
I have "The Whisperers" but it didn't do much for me. I have the rockin' 45 version of "Seance" and it is cool. Was there an album?
There's two commercially released re-recorded tracks by Barry which are pretty faithful: a close version of the main title theme is on The Great Movie Sounds of John Barry and repeated on various CBS compilations. The up-tempo version (the Leicester Square sequence) was released on EMI and included on The EMI Years Volume 3 and The Best of the EMI Years.
As Alex said, a Silva Screen suite which included the kidnap sequence appeared on the Walkabout album, but it has to be said that score must be baffling to recreate by ear. I don't know if there was some studio technique going on in that recording, but it was evidently extremely challenging to recreate and they didn't really nail it.
Some years ago, someone was offering what they claimed was a private pressing of the score on an auction site (not eBay), but I don't know if it was ever authenticated. Nobody I know bought it.
Cheers
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Sir Julian recorded a version of Seance that is wonderful, featuring an electric guitar as primary instrument. Released only as the b-side of a single of Call Me Bwana, I believe. Almost all Barry's 60s themes sound good played on electric guitar.
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Poor Woolston.
Because posters are too lazy to use the search engine (DAMMITTT), he is constantly forced to restate his vast knowledge.
A better man than I.
Brm
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