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I just found that the Blu-ray of Luchino Visconti's 'Rocco and His Brothers' will be coming out in July. Many years ago, I had the regular DVD of the film, along with the soundtrack CD, but they went missing long ago. Wondering if this Nino Rota score could be 'eligible' for an expansion by Quartet Records like the other Rota scores so far expanded? I don't recall what label originally released this score, and it's not a Fellini Film, so I'm hoping that won't be grounds for it to be excluded from an expansion.
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Wondering if this Nino Rota score could be 'eligible' for an expansion by Quartet Records like the other Rota scores so far expanded? I don't recall what label originally released this score, and it's not a Fellini Film, so I'm hoping that won't be grounds for it to be excluded from an expansion.
As I wrote just two weeks ago on that other Rota thread, you can be sure that ROCCO E I SUOI FRATELLI will appear in an expanded CD version during the next few months - either by Quartet (which is more likely) or by Music Box:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126910&forumID=1&archive=0
Keep in mind that not only the Rota scores for the Fellini movies have been expanded lately, but also IL GATTOPARDO which - just as ROCCO - had been directed by Luchino Visconti. So it is obvious that ROCCO - which of course is also owned by Sugar in Italy who nowadays manage the old CAM catalogue - will be not far behind.
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I'm waiting for Juliet and 8 1/2.
Don´t worry, they will come as well.
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How about Il Brigante and Ragazzo di Borgata?
Also I Clowns has not been mentionned much, but that's Fellini and CAM too.
RAGAZZO DI BORGATA is more a Carlo Savina score than one by Rota. The Savina music is based on a few original Rota themes, but the actual elaboration and composition is only by him. So this score doesn´t fit into the current Rota "expansion" category at all.
All three scores which you mention have not been reserved by anyone in Sugar´s CAM catalogue - so interest in them is probably not too high. It could of course be that something has changed in the meantime, but it is totally clear that the labels are much more interested to expand the more famous titles like 8 1/2 or ROCCO as they will sell much better on the international market.
I suppose that there is also not much more music in I CLOWNS than the one which has already been released and which is almost only circus music.
And IL BRIGANTE nowadays is certainly a too obscure title of which you won´t sell a lot of CD copies - at least not as much as for the Rota titles which have already been expanded during the last few months.
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How about Il Brigante and Ragazzo di Borgata?
Also I Clowns has not been mentionned much, but that's Fellini and CAM too.
RAGAZZO DI BORGATA is more a Carlo Savina score than one by Rota. The Savina music is based on a few original Rota themes, but the actual elaboration and composition is only by him. So this score doesn´t fit into the current Rota "expansion" category at all.
All three scores which you mention have not been reserved by anyone in Sugar´s CAM catalogue - so interest in them is probably not too high. It could of course be that something has changed in the meantime, but it is totally clear that the labels are much more interested to expand the more famous titles like 8 1/2 or ROCCO as they will sell much better on the international market.
I suppose that there is also not much more music in I CLOWNS than the one which has already been released and which is almost only circus music.
And IL BRIGANTE nowadays is certainly a too obscure title of which you won´t sell a lot of CD copies - at least not as much as for the Rota titles which have already been expanded during the last few months.[/endquote
I am enjoying very much this series of Rota reissues. I eagerly await Rocco And His Brother's, 8 1/2, and Juliet of The Spirits.
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Unfortunately, there are some completely wrong informations.
First of all: Neither SATYRICON, SUNSET SUNRISE nor LE NOTTI DI CABIRIA have anything to do with Sugar/CAM. Therefore they are of course also not part of the CAM catalogue and Sugar has no tapes of them.
LE NOTTI DI CABIRIA belongs to the notorious Radiofilmusica/Laurentiis company (as well as LA STRADA which is the reason why Legend coupled these two scores on one CD during the 90s) and SATYRICON is GDM/EMI Music Publishing. SUNSET SUNRISE was a Japanese film and can´t be found at all in the Italian SIAE database.
There are a few other Rota scores which belong to Sugar/CAM and which are missing in the above list:
- LA STELLA DELL´INDIA (1954)
- IL FURTO DELLA GIOCONDA (TV/1978 - released on a GDM CD)
- QUEI FIGURI DI TANTI ANNI FA (TV/1978)
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There are a few other Rota scores which belong to Sugar/CAM and which are missing in the above list:
- QUEI FIGURI DI TANTI ANNI FA (TV/1978)
Sorry, QUEI FIGURI was indeed owned by CAM and was also included in their old list from 1991, but I just notice it that in Sugar´s current and updated CAM catalogue list it doesn´t appear anymore. So the tapes got lost in the meantime.
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It seems that "Il Brigante" has never appeared (officially) on CD at all. It thus still may be a good choice. Also, Quartet hardly ever was discouraged to release obscures titles. "The Star Of India" has never been released at all - so it may be a very welcome surprise if there are any tapes for a title this old.
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Yet, ANOTHER question.
I love the film of, and the music to, 'ROMA'. Most people dismiss the film, I never have. I have the most recent release of 'Satyricon / Roma' which came out a couple of years ago. And as nice as the score to 'Roma' is on this release, I still prefer that 'souvenir album' of the Rota score that came out during the film's original release. That album featured many SONGS from the film as well, and the songs were absent from the most recent release. Is there any way a company could release all the songs as well as all the score to 'Roma' in a single package?
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Sugar´s current CAM catalogue in which STAR OF INDIA is included actually comprises or should comprise all the tapes which they still possess. Nevertheless, there are still sometimes faulty entries here and there and my own epxerience is that if you ask them for an approval of an old title from the 50s or even early 60s it could still be that they don´t have any material anymore or only parts of it - even though the title is in their updated list. We have experienced this at Saimel already a few times during the last years.
If STAR OF INDIA will be released on CD at all, then rather expect it from Saimel in the future.
I also don´t think that Quartet will have much interest in releasing IL BRIGANTE. As I wrote: No label has reserved this title in the Sugar list till now as opposed to the popular ones of which of course all have been reserved for a long time and will be expanded.
People simply expect too much at the moment and don´t seem to realize the risks and costs of issuing such more obscure titles. These won´t sell well. Also our RELUCTANT SAINT CD on Saimel was not at all a commercial success although it was a Rota score.
The current Rota expansions are all about the really famous titles for the Fellini/Visconti films which of course can also be exploited on the international market and which will certainly sell there quite well. Something like this will not be possible at all with IL BRIGANTE as almost nobody knows the score and the film anymore - above all not the US collectors who are the decisive factor in this matter.
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Yet, ANOTHER question.
I love the film of, and the music to, 'ROMA'. Is there any way a company could release all the songs as well as all the score to 'Roma' in a single package?
Difficult to say. A score plus songs album of ROMA will certainly not come from an Italian label. The album master of the United Artists US LP would have to be used. However, it could be a complicated matter because of the additional licensing of the songs.
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