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 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This is easily a top ten score for me, and might even be my favorite by JG (please understand that this was the first film score I ever owned, way back in 1979).

The waltz understandably gets mentioned a lot when this soundtrack comes up and for good reason: JG channeled the Straussian spirit there, however there are elements of power and drama that don't typically exist in the form...such makes the piece stand out even more.

One of the most powerful cues has to be "Jungle Holocaust", which is propped up to great effect in the Intrada release.

I must mention that I think the suite JG came up with for the original release was a successful example of him formatting his scores; it's just as easy for me to enjoy this as much as the awe-inspiring job Intrada did with disc 1.

So, a kind of corny but super fun movie with what seems to me a concert-level, elite score. I'd be a little freeked if I found out this never got played live; even if just for that remarkable waltz.

I would love to hear other members' reminisces, ranking, and general thoughts on this amazing meisterwerk! smile

Have to add also that Yavar's Odyssey investigation of this score is something I look forward to very much (not to mention the scores leading up to).

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

The Killers Arrive will always be one of my favorite. No one else would score this sequence like that.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

The Killers Arrive will always be one of my favorite. No one else would score this sequence like that.

Tremendous!

I must add: I can't adequately express my love for how Intrada provided both the original suite and full soundtrack on the two discs. This is one of those releases where I'm happy throwing on either disc, they're both terrific imo.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious films ever made. Too bad they didn't cast Olivier and Gregory Peck as the sisters in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane."

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"No one else would score this sequence like that"
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What you on about Shaun!!??
Horner scored a scene just like it in MONSTER aka HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Yes, I seem to remember hearing the waltz on at least one of JG's London visitations. As to the OTT element - my favorite has got to be Peck's gruff announcement of, "Herr Lieberman!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

"No one else would score this sequence like that"
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What you on about Shaun!!??
Horner scored a scene just like it in MONSTER aka HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP!!!


Nobody would score a sequence like that TODAY! I don't know Humanoids very well, actually!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious films ever made. Too bad they didn't cast Olivier and Gregory Peck as the sisters in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane."

lol! I agree Onya, except iirc Shaffner himself said in an interview that the movie was meant to be campy to begin with (I'll see if I can find it).

I'll also add that intentional campiness tends to add to the film's charm imo...however, there's a lot to be said about unintentionally hilarious films (I happen to like quite a few of them myself).

A truly ridiculous but popcorn-enhanced plot, a completely undeserved Oscar nomination for Olivier, who seemed to take a cue from Peck and ham out outrageously throughout the film.

I still watch and enjoy the film though. 7/10 as in "better than good" ("it's wood", sorry kind of obscure reference there).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I was kidding Shaun.
BFB was obviously in the temp for HUMANOIDS. The lift by Horner is quite funny!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Speaking of concert-worthy, I saw Goldsmith conduct the suite from Boys from Brazil at a concert in Detroit--the first, and still the best, Goldsmith-conducted concert I've ever attended. It was particularly surprising because even by then (around 1993 I think) a lot of Goldsmith's usual concert repertoire was very watered-down arrangements of his more familiar works, so to hear a lengthy, fantastically-performed suite from one of the pinnacles of his career was a huge treat.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I greatly enjoy this film, even though it has a couple of (unintentionally) funny scenes. Also, remember the scene where Steve Guttenburg is killed, lays there dead, then blinks? (Hey, I'd pay to see any movie where they kill-off Steve Guttenburg). The Score is MARVELOUS though, isn't it? I've never grown tired of that old A&M Vinyl and then the complete score on c.d.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"one of the pinnacles of his career" -- yeah, and Goldsmith's career had how many dozen pinnacles? wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I love this score start to finish of course, but my go-to selection is his original LP presentation of the music for Frau Doring, from side two. He pulls together several cues, some of the most darkly lyrical he wrote during this amazingly fruitful time in his career. He avowed at the time that his inspiration was taken from Mahler and Richard Strauss and you can hear their legendary influence in every bar, transmuted of course by Jerry’s own genius. It’s a great score, but that album track for me is extra special.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I was kidding Shaun.
BFB was obviously in the temp for HUMANOIDS. The lift by Horner is quite funny!


That lift always amused me. It "pops up" in Richard Band's main title for FROM BEYOND as well (a last-minute rewritten cue replacing a far more interesting, original creation on Band's part with a mediative and sinuous spirit, perfect for a Lovecraftian narrative, but not "exciting and scary enough" for the filmmakers).

As for the BOYS score itself? This is one of the few synth-free Jerry scores from this era that I just outright don't dig. The waltz is nice and all, but I remember finding the action/suspense scoring too blaring and messy - ditto for COMA's action cues. Weird that I connect so strongly with CAPRICORN ONE but not this; it struck me as lesser table scraps from that score with some Straussian bits waltzing in now and then.

I only recent saw the film itself for the first time and was very disappointed with it overall. All the ingredients were there - the cast, the crew - but I honestly found it incredibly corny and the far-fetched narrative just didn't work for me. The last act at the farmhouse with the bloodthirsty dogs, racist parents and evil kid is kinda fun - it felt like the film finally embraced its inherent goofiness - but the bulk of the film just didn't tick the right buttons for me. And hearing the score in context didn't really increase my desire to revisit it on album.

For what it's worth, the City of Prague Phil's rendition of the waltz theme on the "Essential Jerry Goldsmith" album is excellent, far better-recorded and punchier than what's heard in the OST.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious films ever made.

"You killed my father, you freaked-out maniac...!" big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

"Don't you understand English you AHSSSS? We are not at home!"

Love the film and score!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

"Don't you understand English you AHSSSS? We are not at home!"

Love the film and score!!!






But not as good as "Shut up you ugly bitch!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Speaking of concert-worthy, I saw Goldsmith conduct the suite from Boys from Brazil at a concert in Detroit--the first, and still the best, Goldsmith-conducted concert I've ever attended. It was particularly surprising because even by then (around 1993 I think) a lot of Goldsmith's usual concert repertoire was very watered-down arrangements of his more familiar works, so to hear a lengthy, fantastically-performed suite from one of the pinnacles of his career was a huge treat.

I heard this same concert in Denver that same year. Yes, Boys from Brazil was the highlight for the reasons you say.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Speaking of concert-worthy, I saw Goldsmith conduct the suite from Boys from Brazil at a concert in Detroit--the first, and still the best, Goldsmith-conducted concert I've ever attended. It was particularly surprising because even by then (around 1993 I think) a lot of Goldsmith's usual concert repertoire was very watered-down arrangements of his more familiar works, so to hear a lengthy, fantastically-performed suite from one of the pinnacles of his career was a huge treat.

I heard this same concert in Denver that same year. Yes, Boys from Brazil was the highlight for the reasons you say.


Oh MAN, wish I'd seen that!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Interesting--all this talk of camp and humor and wild 'n crazy plot. Reminds me of another project scored by JG in earnest. Had something to do with time travel and a bunch of monkeys and the lady in the harbor. Both flicks did quite well in each its own bizarre way.

 
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