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 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I finally put together a fairly definitive list and figured it deserved its own thread, not wanting it to get lost in the middle of the other one (even though we have plenty of threads on Jerry Goldsmith westerns already).

Hold onto your hats, pardners!

Radio scores:

1958 - FRONTIER GENTLEMAN (four episodes, but really three original scores)
S1E0 "Remittance Man" (original pilot episode, with a different cast -- credited as "Jerrald")
S1E1 "The Shelton Brothers" (redone pilot with final cast; music re-used from original pilot with only slight changes)
S1E2 "Charlie Meeker" (the best and most extensive score he wrote for the series, almost like a TV score)
S1E3 "The Honkey Tonkers" (his final episode for the series is unfortunately dominated by source music, with only a few instances of the score being allowed to shine)

Anyone know of other Goldsmith radio westerns, even single episodes of anthology series? I'm guessing I should probably look into the episodes of "Romance" titled "The Indian" and "The Law and Miss Deborah" for starters...there's some cool Hispanic stuff in "The Guitar" from that series but I really wouldn't classify it as a western.

Television scores:

1959 - BLACK SADDLE (main theme only; extended version newly recorded for Dick Powell Presents LP...there is also at least one pop cover, by The Revelairs)

1960 - HAVE GUN – WILL TRAVEL (two episodes; the second score is FANTASTIC and belongs among his best western scores)
S4E1 "The Fatalist"
S4E3 "A Head of Hair"

1960, 1961, & 1966 - GUNSMOKE (six episodes total, with the last composed many years later)
S5E22 "Doc Judge"
S6E2 "The Blacksmith"
S6E13 "The Wake"
S6E20 "Love Thy Neighbor"
S6E26 "Old Faces"
S12E8 "The Whispering Tree"

1961 - THE TWILIGHT ZONE (he scored seven episodes but only one of them was a western)
S2E12 "Dust"

1961 - RAWHIDE (one episode)
S3E22 "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere" (really good score with some variety to it)

1961 & 1962 - WAGON TRAIN (two episodes)
S4E37 "The Ah Chong Story" (episode comes across as pretty racist today, but Goldsmith's Asian-tinged music is very good)
S6E1 "The Wagon Train Mutiny (have yet to see this one but it's much higher rated)

1964 - DESTRY (three episodes, which my eyes and ears can confirm though not mentioned on IMDb...good stuff!)
S1E2 "Destry Had a Little Lamb"
S1E3 "Law and Order Day"
S1E4 "Stormy Is a Lady"

1965 - THE LONER (two episodes...and aside from the TZ ep, the only Goldsmith TV western to actually be released on CD)
S1E1 "An Echo of Bugles"
S1E5 "One of the Wounded"

1966 - THE LEGEND OF JESSE JAMES (one episode -- sadly I haven't been able to find it anywhere)
S1E26 "Things Just Don't Happen"

1970 - PRUDENCE AND THE CHIEF (unsold pilot for a western comedy take on Anna and the King)
1991 - BROTHERHOOD OF THE GUN (aka HOLLISTER) (several variations of main theme only; body of score for this other unsold western pilot was written by his son Joel)

I'm not sure whether people would consider his work on THE WALTONS (1971-1972) to be in the western genre or merely "Americana" -- it does bear traits in common with some of his western scores though. He scored the pilot telefilm and I think six or seven episodes, the most he did for any show, ever, if I'm not mistaken.

Feature films:

1957 - BLACK PATCH
1959 - FACE OF A FUGITIVE
1960 - FLAMING STAR (2:14 finale cue "Pacer's Farewell" only; the rest by other composers)
1962 - LONELY ARE THE BRAVE
1964 - RIO CONCHOS
1966 - STAGECOACH
1967 - HOUR OF THE GUN
1968 - BANDOLERO!
1969 - 100 RIFLES
1970 - THE BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE
1970 - RIO LOBO
1971 - WILD ROVERS
1973 - THE RED PONY
1973 - ONE LITTLE INDIAN
1975 - TAKE A HARD RIDE
1975 - BREAKHEART PASS
1976 - THE LAST HARD MEN (no original Goldsmith but reused cues from other film scores)
1981 - OUTLAND (a partial High Noon remake -- in spaaaace! -- but Goldsmith's actual music is more sci-fi than western feeling)
1987 - EXTREME PREJUDICE (another one where the film is perhaps more western-flavored than the score; since it's a "modern" western this one is very synth heavy, unfortunately for me...)
1994 - BAD GIRLS

"Honorary Western" scores:

1967 - THE FLIM-FLAM Man (lots of harmonica, accordion, guitar, and banjo makes this Americana score come across like one of his lighter-hearted western scores)
1970 - THE TRAVELING EXECUTIONER (set in the deep south in 1918; there are some westerny feeling parts though I wouldn't say it's in the genre overall)
1975 - BREAKOUT (fantastic dark Hispanic brass and guitar make this one of the best non-western western scores)
1976 - HIGH VELOCITY (with Breakout's awesome dark Hispanic brass and guitar but now with CIMBALOM make this one of my favorite overlooked Goldsmith scores)
1980 - CABOBLANCO (the last in the unofficial trilogy of Hispanic-flavored non-western scores begun with Breakout and High Velocity)
1983 - UNDER FIRE (this one is fairly synth-heavy, though more melodic than Extreme Prejudice...it squeaks into this list because of the cool Hispanic flavor, particularly the prominent acoustic guitar in the action music)

Isolated Western Cues for Joe Dante Comedies:

1987 - INNERSPACE (all cues featuring the Morricone-influenced "The Cowboy" theme for the Robert Picardo character)
1989 - THE 'BURBS (there's an awesome western theme that I think first appears in "Let's Go" -- epic and complete with musical gunshots!)
2003 - LOONEY TUNES: BACK IN ACTION (this score is full of fantastic invention and musical in-jokes, but the highlight of the whole work is undoubtedly the two western action cues for Yosemite Sam, "The Bad Guys" and "Car Trouble")

And finally, his ride score to the Disney California Adventure ride SOARIN' OVER CALIFORNIA has a brief westerny section. Also, in the concert arrangement performed by the LSO, Jerry's main theme to BARNABY JONES comes across as music for the most epic western ever...very different from the funky original.

Here's an old thread I began about all of Goldsmith's "western" music for non-westerns, though it didn't go very far:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=94552&forumID=1&archive=0

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I was SO hoping you'd do this, Yavar.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I may expand this first post to also include a buyer's guide, by score. Of course most of the TV stuff is unavailable, sadly, but maybe more CBS material will get rescued at some point.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Wonderful job, Yavar. The fact that The Flim-Flam Man sounds so Americana with a western vibe is probably why I love that score so much.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Pretty cool, Yavar. You seem to have the same dedication to charting all facets of Goldsmith's career as I do for Williams.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Pretty cool, Yavar. You seem to have the same dedication to charting all facets of Goldsmith's career as I do for Williams.

Yes indeed. But I think you'll agree my job is much harder than yours! smile

I still hope Intrada is one day able to finagle a release of the Story of a Woman and The Rare Breed tapes in the Universal vaults, BTW. I'll be there day one.

Yavar

P.S. And thanks, Joan.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The Moradi Mania




 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

JG westerns are a tributary I'm not really familiar with at all, though, having said that the most noticeable is probably Stagecoach (To Cheyenne). Even Geoff Love did that one on his Great Western Themes compilation with a really nice melodic orchestral arrangement.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The Moradi Mania

Guilty, 100%....and it's even getting worse with this new podcast I'm doing. smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

JG westerns are a tributary I'm not really familiar with at all, though, having said that the most noticeable is probably Stagecoach (To Cheyenne). Even Geoff Love did that one on his Great Western Themes compilation with a really nice melodic orchestral arrangement.

My friend, you might really find music to fall in love with here. I was very anti-Western in the beginning of my film score infatuation...now I'm a complete mess over them! I think I own well over a dozen, all treasured.

What amazes me is how JG wrote under the shadow of the monolithic HTWWW and yet stayed with his guns. Even his mandatory deferrals to past Westerns still rang of his writing style. To me, that individuality (and like Morricone, plenty of inclination to experiment) really makes those older scores stand out.

OT but sometimes when I listen to the masterpiece-inal Star Trek the Motion Picture I can imagine it as the backdrop to a Western (of course, every time the blaster beam shows up we're back in space LOL!). Love that score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

JG westerns are a tributary I'm not really familiar with at all, though, having said that the most noticeable is probably Stagecoach (To Cheyenne). Even Geoff Love did that one on his Great Western Themes compilation with a really nice melodic orchestral arrangement.

I think most fans come to the Westerns late in life.
I did .
Some of his very best music.

HOUR OF THE GUN
RIO CONGHOS
RIO LOBO
BANDOLERO....

GREAT STUFF!
Brm

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes indeed. But I think you'll agree my job is much harder than yours! smile

Not when it comes to the TV stuff!

(also, I think JG might be better represented on disc than JW, in terms of feature films).

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Really, you think JW did more obscure TV stuff than Goldsmith? Cuz believe me, for this podcast project I've been delving into a lot of pretty dang obscure stuff... smile

I'd be surprised if Goldsmith has a greater percentage of his film scores released, to be honest. I bet there's around the same, though in terms of quantity he obviously has a lot more because of being more prolific.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've only owned/heard two and I traded one of the two.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I've only owned/heard two and I traded one of the two.

Which two/one?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've only owned/heard two and I traded one of the two.

Which two/one?

Yavar


The Red Pony and Bad Girls. I just couldn't get into The Red Pony and traded it. Bad Girls admittedly is a rather modern sounding score, so does it really count as a Western score? But it's a lot of fun.

I'm really not into Westerns, so I haven't heard many Western scores. Thus I only have a few.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I've only owned/heard two and I traded one of the two.

Which two/one?

Yavar


The Red Pony and Bad Girls. I just couldn't get into The Red Pony and traded it. Bad Girls admittedly is a rather modern sounding score, so does it really count as a Western score? But it's a lot of fun.

I'm really not into Westerns, so I haven't heard many Western scores. Thus I only have a few.


I have to be forthright, I really resisted Westerns (and I still do have a problem with the cornier side of the genre), but if you haven't had a full listen to, say, How the West Was Won you might be missing out on some music you really like. That's just off the top of my head. Once I gave the genre a real chance I got (and am getting) paid off big time.

I always skip the show tunes and do see dos. But there's just plain great music, period on How the West Was Won. Same with Lonesome Dove, same with more than a few others.

I just recommend giving something like HtWWW a chance. I always skip past the yee haw stuff, but what's left is freaking terrific. Some of the best music of that time.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've only owned/heard two and I traded one of the two.

Which two/one?

Yavar


The Red Pony and Bad Girls. I just couldn't get into The Red Pony and traded it. Bad Girls admittedly is a rather modern sounding score, so does it really count as a Western score? But it's a lot of fun.

I'm really not into Westerns, so I haven't heard many Western scores. Thus I only have a few.


I have to be forthright, I really resisted Westerns (and I still do have a problem with the cornier side of the genre), but if you haven't had a full listen to, say, How the West Was Won you might be missing out on some music you really like. That's just off the top of my head. Once I gave the genre a real chance I got (and am getting) paid off big time.

I always skip the show tunes and do see dos. But there's just plain great music, period on How the West Was Won. Same with Lonesome Dove, same with more than a few others.

I just recommend giving something like HtWWW a chance. I always skip past the yee haw stuff, but what's left is freaking terrific. Some of the best music of that time.


I'll try and sample what I can find on YT or Spotify. I own Wyatt Earp and Dances with Wolves. Though I suspect neither are really classic examples of "Western" music in the traditional sense.

Oh, I also have Fievel Goes West, probably the most "Western" score I own. big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Beautiful job, Yavar.

I despair of ever getting good recordings of a lot of this stuff. Let's face it, even though we fans of old TV Western scores like WAGON TRAIN, GUNSMOKE, etc. would snap these up , we just don't seem to be numerous enough to support the commercial release of many of these even if the elements were available ( I suspect most are not).
A couple of the best releases of classic Western TV scores were done by The Film Music Society...a non-profit.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



Thank you Yavar. This is a great breakdown. I was getting a bit tired of the flip flopping of the other two Goldsmith Westerns threads ( I try to resurrect an old one if it makes sense) and think this was a great way to narrow it down.

I see three of my favorites - 100 Rifles, Hour of the Gun and Stagecoach. Well done Yavar.

 
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