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 Posted:   Apr 10, 2018 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Went to see the new film Ghost Stories tonight. Pretty good with the usual horror clichès balanced with good performances and shots. Some nice musical moments in the score from Haim Frank Ilfman as well. Haven’t really heard of him before but he had some great thematic and sweeping pieces in amongst the usual ‘suspense’ style scoring that obviously has to be there now.
And that’s the thing..... This constant rule nowadays that every scare in a horror film has to be scored by a musical blast as well is so wearying. As a horror flick fan it’s sad to see that in a film like this ( and many others today..) a moment of building dread and suspense is totally spoiled by a visual jump scare ( possibly acceptable..) and an accompanying musical sting that just ruins it. The thought process must be something like..well obviously the audience needs to completely told that this is the scarey bit so we’ll just throw in this sudden noise because of course they’re too stupid to realise that without it!!.... Or is it just lazy scoring and film making? I’d like to think that’s what the studio system is pushing composers to do rather than it coming from them...but doesn’t anyone realise...it’s just not scarey!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Any thoughts from the horror fans lurking out there in the shadows? Do you all like this kinda stuff these days? Any examples of a modern horror score that succeeds without going down that tired route?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I lost major part of my interest in the score when I saw its tracklist split into 40 (or how many very brief) tracks and also mixed with dialogues. Not that eager to watch that movie either.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I lost major part of my interest in the score when I saw its tracklist split into 40 (or how many very brief) tracks and also mixed with dialogues. Not that eager to watch that movie either.

i know what you mean. I've got the cd hopefully coming tomorrow but was a bit disappointed looking at the track list. Hopefully I'll be able to get a good edit of my own out of it. Film's not ground breaking but I've seen a lot worse and in the end of the day I didn't come out disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I started a thread about this film and score a few weeks back..
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126124&forumID=1&archive=0
but it wasn't that popular around here.
It's the next film I plan to see at the cinema, once I get a minute.
I saw A QUIET PLACE last night, it was a toss-up between the two of what to watch first.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Not a fan of "Horror" films per se, but more a fan of gothic/supernatural/macabre films.

The only recentish "horror" films I've seen may be some Japanese things like "Ring," if they qualify.

One of the stupid cliches now is the quick and extreme zoom of the ghost/ monster etc. with the jittery effect. It is now comical.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I started a thread about this film and score a few weeks back..
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126124&forumID=1&archive=0
but it wasn't that popular around here.
It's the next film I plan to see at the cinema, once I get a minute.
I saw A QUIET PLACE last night, it was a toss-up between the two of what to watch first.


Sorry Kev...missed that thread or I'd have jumped in. I wanted to see this film ever since I heard of it. Would have been great to see the stage play as well. Hope you post what you think of it. Theres a pretty spectacular musical bit towards the end. That definately prompted me to buy the cd even if it was all too brief.
Liked the middle story best smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Good topic spook, but as a die hard "horror got me into this score mess in the first place" type, I can't even follow the genre anymore. It's just a lazy pathetic shadow of what drew me in.
I could drop 50 scores from the 30's to the 80's that were creative and versatile as hell.
Now it's just clang shock chord droning Penderecki riffs every time. Even the recent, praised gems that show up are only a shadow of that golden run the genre has IMO.

This Ilfman thing probably has a nice piano string theme and gloomy minor mode suspense and standard action bits. No surprises anymore...I'll go play Sarde's GHOST STORY instead...

Good luck!
-Sean

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Not a fan of "Horror" films per se, but more a fan of gothic/supernatural/macabre films.

The only recentish "horror" films I've seen may be some Japanese things like "Ring," if they qualify.

One of the stupid cliches now is the quick and extreme zoom of the ghost/ monster etc. with the jittery effect. It is now comical.


There's definately some great Japanese horror thats still can create tension without the stuff we're talking about. Haven't seen the new 'Rings' as I heard it was pretty awful but I enjoyed the old ones.. and also the recent SADAKO vs KAYAKO which for all its 'Freddy Vs Jason' gimmick style, was still pretty good although don't remember the score much

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2018 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

"It's what the network wants, why bother to complain?"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2018 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Yo spook, got one for you.

We love the INSIDIOUS series here, if just for how they play with the expected 'beats' of scare placement & visual Easter eggs.
Just rented & wrapped the latest, The Last Key, and I didn't know who scored it. Score has a vaguely Shore-Se7en type sound.
I was surprised it has a mostly tonal, certainly less sound designy score, and absence of f'ing clangy anvil scare jumps....by Bishara, which I didn't expect, based on the shift in sounds.
So maybe everything's not lost...I won't run out & buy a cd, but it was certainly a noticable, welcome score.

Cheers!
Sean

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2018 - 2:12 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I enjoyed the movie, but yes both film and score was full of horror film cliches. You know, lights go dark, suddenly light comes on to reveal demon face to high pitched music shriek.

What I liked about the film is that there's lots of unresolved numbers and symbols that keep showing up that suddenly make sense at the end, except you're not sure if they all got resolved and you're left wondering about one or two of them.

But yes, the actual scares and shocks are all cliche.

And whilst the music was also rich in scare and shock cliche's, there were some quite melodic bits apart from that, which seemed almost Barryesque to be honest. I'm not moved enough to buy the CD though.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2018 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I sampled the soundtrack awhile back, and it didn't do much for me, I'm afraid. But I'll probably see the film at some point.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2018 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Been listening to the cd and am pleasantly surprised. The dialogue snippets add absolutely nothing but aren’t too annoying either. Although there’s a fair amount of the usual creepy scoring there’s enough thematic good stuff to kept it all interesting. It’s not just ‘sound design’ and the climatic track makes the whole thing worth it for me. Definitely happy I bought it. Keen to watch the film again as well now. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2018 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Yo spook, got one for you.

We love the INSIDIOUS series here, if just for how they play with the expected 'beats' of scare placement & visual Easter eggs.
Just rented & wrapped the latest, The Last Key, and I didn't know who scored it. Score has a vaguely Shore-Se7en type sound.
I was surprised it has a mostly tonal, certainly less sound designy score, and absence of f'ing clangy anvil scare jumps....by Bishara, which I didn't expect, based on the shift in sounds.
So maybe everything's not lost...I won't run out & buy a cd, but it was certainly a noticable, welcome score.

Cheers!
Sean


Cheers Sean...love the INSIDIOUS scores as well. Sadly it seems THE LAST KEY isn’t getting a score release. Shame as the others have. Horror scoring is a strange thing to admit to liking as most folk think, ‘why would you listen to that weird stuff outside the movie? Not really sure I actually know the answer but I guess I know what I like and a good score in this genre works for me every bit as say Star Wars for most folk.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Saw this last night, but was hugely disappointed by it.
Just the usual BlumHouse shocks and shrieks. BORING!!
I found the whole production to be very amateurish. Most ITV/BBC TV drama productions look and feel better than this.
And the three tales/case studies were not very original or convincing to me, let alone frightening.
Add to that a terrible third act reveal/rug-pull that cheapens the whole plot, creates storyline confusion and barely makes any sense.
I don't know how it worked on stage, in the original play, but on film, it didn't work for me at all.
It's put me off horror films for quite a while now.
I fell for all the stellar pre-publicity raves (by the usual UK film boys club/mates brigade), so maybe I went in with too-high expectations, but that didn't overall alter my actual experience of the viewing of the film.
I did notice the music a few times, but it's not something I'd want to listen to again.
DUD of the year so far for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Then watch A QUIET PLACE immediately, Kev. That should get your belief in horror movies right back up there. A superb film. Still haven't seen GHOST STORIES.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

If you check out the QUIET PLACE thread Thor, you will read me enthusing wildly about it.
But that was last week. And it's not REALLY a horror film outright. More a sci-fi suspense thriller ala PITCH BLACK.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

True. I forgot you shared in the enthusiasm for that one, sorry.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Saw this last night, but was hugely disappointed by it.
Just the usual BlumHouse shocks and shrieks. BORING!!
I found the whole production to be very amateurish. Most ITV/BBC TV drama productions look and feel better than this.
And the three tales/case studies were not very original or convincing to me, let alone frightening.
Add to that a terrible third act reveal/rug-pull that cheapens the whole plot, creates storyline confusion and barely makes any sense.
I don't know how it worked on stage, in the original play, but on film, it didn't work for me at all.
It's put me off horror films for quite a while now.
I fell for all the stellar pre-publicity raves (by the usual UK film boys club/mates brigade), so maybe I went in with too-high expectations, but that didn't overall alter my actual experience of the viewing of the film.
I did notice the music a few times, but it's not something I'd want to listen to again.
DUD of the year so far for me.


Aww..sorry to read that Kev. I often agree with your thoughts on this Board. I know it hit a lot of cliches but i felt overall it was enjoyable..not that scary though but I find I'm keen to watch it again so thats got t be a good thing.. I'm loving the music on the cd...even if its just for the final 'dark waltz' style tracks. I'm off to A QUIET PLACE tonight so looking forward to it.

 
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