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 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I was listening to Raiders of the Lost Ark this morning.

I remembered when the first expanded release came out (1995?) that someone said to Lukas that they wished that the original Desert Chase had been included as a bonus track. Lukas said he wished the whole original album had been included as a bonus track. Ha ha ha ha.

Fast forward to now when the original album programs are frequently (and thankfully) included in super deluxe sets.

I love living in the Future.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I'm the minority, but I really hate it when there's a huge redudnat batch of music, especially when it adds a whole separate disc. Take the recent Roger Rabbit for example --- while the album edits are not all included specifically in the score itself, as far as I know all the music itself is still there (the main unique track being the 'dueling pianos' with dialog), with many of the tracks straight up the same, including 'Eddie's Theme' which was itself recorded just for the album.
On top of which the extra CD (which most people interested already own anyway if they wanted to keep it and if not likely would be easy to seek out from those who didn't) makes the case take up twice the space (or more in my case, given I replace double CDs with sleeves) and costs more.
Or even worse is The Rocketeer, which is almost all repeats and is already a pretty long CD (probably the longest by 9 or so minutes of the ones I own with the full album included). Though in this case including everything (that is, including the tracks that ARE different....technically the score can fit on a single CD) would at least have still been 2CDs.
Or how about The Black Stallion Returns, where it's 3CDs but even with the album program could EASILY have fit on to 2?

I much much prefer something like Batman Returns or Star Trek IV -- everything is included that's different as album versions, but there's not huge swaths of redundant music included.

I have actually passed on a few releases (Elfman's POTA comes to mind) because of the practice.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I like it when the album is included.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I like having the original album included too! That way if I want to, I can get rid of the old release - a space saver in the long run!

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I absolutely want the OST tracks on an expansion. I sometimes find I don't care for the film score version and mix and match. Or sometimes the OST is more to my liking so at least I have a remastered version of the OST when I buy an expansion. Both Jaws and E.T. come to mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 9:59 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I love having the original album included.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 10:19 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Really wish the CEOT3K expansion included the OST. It's a very unique presentation and a lot different from the recent release. I mean, I'd buy a separate remastered release if offered.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Really wish the CEOT3K expansion included the OST. It's a very unique presentation and a lot different from the recent release. I mean, I'd buy a separate remastered release if offered..

The Solium Disappointment

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 11:15 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Really wish the CEOT3K expansion included the OST. It's a very unique presentation and a lot different from the recent release. I mean, I'd buy a separate remastered release if offered.

I thought some company did just that a year or so ago......?

 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2018 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

The CDs I thought of were:

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock which I think was the first set that I knew of that did this. The tracks that were unique between the two were, what? Half?

FSMs Twilight Zone: The Movie which arranged the track breaks so you could recreate the album program if you wished.

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home which had the album tracks separate, but it was such a short score there was room.

And yes, the latest Close Encounters. I wish they had the album arrangements, but I can totally get why they didn't. And it's such a fantastic arrangement of the score I can't really complain too much.

I know in the case of the Rocketeer some people preferred the album tracks to the film mixes.

I wonder if someone ever gets to do The Ultimate Star Wars (and the sequels) if there will be arrangements of the original album tracks, but produced to today's standards? I listen to the original LP programs at least as often as the expanded scores.

We MIGHT be a little spoiled.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Really wish the CEOT3K expansion included the OST. It's a very unique presentation and a lot different from the recent release. I mean, I'd buy a separate remastered release if offered.

I thought some company did just that a year or so ago......?


Really, got a linky? Would the sound quality be as good as LLL's recent release? Is it a CD or in some other daft format like vinyl or BluRay?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I like it when it's only the original album and nothing else. big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I like it when it's only the original album and nothing else. big grin

If I wasn't thinking of you when I posted this I should have been.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

I quite like the option. Sometimes I feel like a musically-driven takeaway, so I play the album version. When I feel like following the dramatic line and musical architecture of the movie proper, I choose the expanded/complete version.

Mix options are different, too. (The Rocketeer is a good example.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I only want the original album if it's a re-recording, or has different takes than the film version. Otherwise it's a way to soak the consumer for the cost of a superfluous extra disc (because we likely have the original album already).

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I only want the original album if it's a re-recording, or has different takes than the film version. Otherwise it's a way to soak the consumer for the cost of a superfluous extra disc (because we likely have the original album already).

OST's are generally different recordings, abridged, and re-sequenced. Your also getting the remastered OST in a lot of cases, which means better audio. I don't see how it's soaking money out of the consumer.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


OST's are generally different recordings, abridged, and re-sequenced. Your also getting the remastered OST in a lot of cases, which means better audio. I don't see how it's soaking money out of the consumer.


Er, not /usually/ they are not different recordings. Yes sometimes there are cuts and rearrangements of parts, but the actual music is still the same, but usually it's on a limited number of tracks where most tracks are exactly the same (and a 3 minute version of a 4 minute cue isn't exactly necessarily something one needs just because 'it was originally on the album that way').

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I like it when the original album is included, especially when it's a "historic" program, or offers something unique (takes, mixes, etc).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Er, not /usually/ they are not different recordings. Yes sometimes there are cuts and rearrangements of parts, but the actual music is still the same, but usually it's on a limited number of tracks where most tracks are exactly the same (and a 3 minute version of a 4 minute cue isn't exactly necessarily something one needs just because 'it was originally on the album that way').

US soundtrack albums until maybe the late 1970s or early 1980s generally were re-recordings. So someone who is into 1960s and 70s US scores almost always experiences re-recordings.

 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Even in cases where the score was recorded at the same session as the album tracks, what is included on the album are often alternate takes or different versions of the cues that appear in the score.

The album of Taxi Driver concludes with a different version of “God's Lonely Man” than the cue that appears in the film in order to give the music a more slam-bang ending for the record. The album versions of “Without Help” and “Let's Get Out of Here” from Star Trek V are significantly different in terms of edit points and performance takes in order to make them more coherent musical experiences. Some of these differences will be more subtle than others, but music is often one of those things that people really attach themselves to, and that often includes edits.

Now, in cases where there is no difference, or if the difference is maybe one track (e.g. The Last Starfighter), then including the original LP configuration is unnecessary.

 
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