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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

The only thread I found (within quick search) was a Crimston Tide score thread that died over five years ago, so I thought I'd start a new one.

Honestly, I'm shocked that Crimson Tide hasn't been expanded by now. It is truly an iconic, landmark film score, and one of the highlights of Hans Zimmer's distinguished career. As much as I love scores like The Peacemaker, Broken Arrow, and Black Rain -- and as grateful as I am for their awesome expansions -- I still scratch my head in incredulity and wonder what's holding up the deluxe treatment of Crimson Tide. There's got to be a good reason, I obviously am not aware of it, but hopefully it's on the horizon or some label is working on it.

I would personally actually prefer an expansion of Zimmer's Drop Zone or Beyond Rangoon, but I think Crimson Tide is more deserving than those two.

(hopefully this won't turn into a "this should be expanded instead/no, this should be expanded first" thread)

La La Land, you did a phenomenal job with Broken Arrow and The Peacemaker -- the latter of which is somehow still available from its limited run -- I would love to see your magic touch extend to Crimson Tide!

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I would love an expanded edition. It's one of my favorite Zimmer scores. (Great film too) Theres some music in the beginning of the film not on the OST I'm dying to get. I imagine it's an elements, or rights issue, but hopefully will get it one day. Which reminds me I still need to pick up Peacemaker!

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

MV had stated very recently that they have plans to give many Zimmer scores the treatment they deserve, it was just a matter of getting the time to discuss with Team Zimmer the particulars once his tour ended. I am sure the reels are spinning. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

MV had stated very recently that they have plans to give many Zimmer scores the treatment they deserve, it was just a matter of getting the time to discuss with Team Zimmer the particulars once his tour ended. I am sure the reels are spinning. smile

This is very promising news indeed, Ryan, thanks for sharing! I love a good spinning reel! Sounds like many Zimmer fans will have a great deal to be happy with in the indefinite future -- facilitated by a powerhouse Midas-touch record label like La La Land no less!

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

Crimson Tide is a Disney film, so it won't be coming from La-La Land.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Mike S   (Member)

I don't know that I'd want an expanded CRIMSON TIDE per se, but if that means a more linear presentation of the score then I'd be all for it. I've always found it to be a difficult album to sit and listen to as presently structured.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

if that means a more linear presentation of the score then I'd be all for exploring. I've always found it to be a difficult album to sit and listen to as presently structured.

Couldn't agree more. I'm all for long cues, but 23 minutes on one single cue? Eh...

(Don't get me started on K2...I respect the composer's wishes and artistic decisions, but again I say: Eh...)

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Mike S   (Member)

I strongly, stroooongly feel this way about THE FAN as well but you told us not to mention other scores smile (but seriously THE FAN is awesome).

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Crimson Tide is fine as it is. I won't bother with an expansion.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

CT is missing a TON of good stuff! Most notably, "Fire in the Galley," "Decompressing," "Classification," and "Command" (a whopping 9 minutes by Nick Glennie-Smith). You can see what a complete release would look like, clocking in at 91 minutes:

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=261

I'd buy this in a heartbeat!

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2018 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   General Kael   (Member)

Crimson Tide is a Disney film, so it won't be coming from La-La Land.

No offense to Intrada, but I hate that anything Disney has to come from them. It is my own personal opinion that their remasterings are equal to the original soundtrack release, but not better. They more expand titles than improve the sound. (Please recognize that this is my opinion and you are free to disagree by all means. Just my own personal take! And I'm sure there are many examples where I'm wrong, but that just hasn't seemed to be the case for the titles that I've purchased.)

But mainly, I hate that Intrada owns the opportunity for all disney-related titles because if they choose not to do something (for example Duck Tales the TV show) then nobody can do it. It's like they're squatting on all these titles. If they don't want to do something, let somebody else do it.

And now, lest somebody paint me as a villain for having a less than completely glowing opinion, let me take this opportunity to state that I actually do love many titles released by Intrada, I am most grateful for what they do and plan to purchase many more items from them in the future. I still love you Roger!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 12:08 AM   
 By:   John Chambers   (Member)

if that means a more linear presentation of the score then I'd be all for exploring. I've always found it to be a difficult album to sit and listen to as presently structured.

Couldn't agree more. I'm all for long cues, but 23 minutes on one single cue? Eh...

(Don't get me started on K2...I respect the composer's wishes and artistic decisions, but again I say: Eh...)


I actually think that in general Zimmer's work is best when presented in these kind of suite arrangements, there are exceptions of course but I love the arrangements of 'Crimson Tide' and 'K2' in their current albums. That said I would certainly purchase an expanded and chronological 'Crimson Tide' to enjoy on it's own terms as a separate listening experience.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

if that means a more linear presentation of the score then I'd be all for exploring. I've always found it to be a difficult album to sit and listen to as presently structured.

Couldn't agree more. I'm all for long cues, but 23 minutes on one single cue? Eh...

(Don't get me started on K2...I respect the composer's wishes and artistic decisions, but again I say: Eh...)


I actually think that in general Zimmer's work is best when presented in these kind of suite arrangements, there are exceptions of course but I love the arrangements of 'Crimson Tide' and 'K2' in their current albums. That said I would certainly purchase an expanded and chronological 'Crimson Tide' to enjoy on it's own terms as a separate listening experience.


I'm actually pretty happy with how 'Crimson Tide' is arranged and the content of the album. Listened to it yesterday, a great score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 1:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yup. CRIMSON TIDE is perfection as is. So is K2.

Please focus the attention on completely unreleased Zimmer scores instead.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Please focus the attention on completely unreleased Zimmer scores instead.

Exactly. And I would "expand" you comment by adding: "...and completely unreleased scores by any other composer instead".

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Because the existing CD is already endless?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

if that means a more linear presentation of the score then I'd be all for exploring. I've always found it to be a difficult album to sit and listen to as presently structured.

Couldn't agree more. I'm all for long cues, but 23 minutes on one single cue? Eh...

(Don't get me started on K2...I respect the composer's wishes and artistic decisions, but again I say: Eh...)


I for one love the longer suites. I just want the missing music.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Crimson Tide is a Disney film, so it won't be coming from La-La Land.

No offense to Intrada, but I hate that anything Disney has to come from them. It is my own personal opinion that their remasterings are equal to the original soundtrack release, but not better. They more expand titles than improve the sound. (Please recognize that this is my opinion and you are free to disagree by all means. Just my own personal take! And I'm sure there are many examples where I'm wrong, but that just hasn't seemed to be the case for the titles that I've purchased.)

But mainly, I hate that Intrada owns the opportunity for all disney-related titles because if they choose not to do something (for example Duck Tales the TV show) then nobody can do it. It's like they're squatting on all these titles. If they don't want to do something, let somebody else do it.

And now, lest somebody paint me as a villain for having a less than completely glowing opinion, let me take this opportunity to state that I actually do love many titles released by Intrada, I am most grateful for what they do and plan to purchase many more items from them in the future. I still love you Roger!


We only speak ill of Varese around here. wink Actually I'll agree Disney should share the love with other specialty labels only so we get more of their catalogue out in a timely manner. Intrada said themselves they'll never get to everything they want to release.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Crimson Tide is one of my favorite scores from Zimmer. I agree that more unreleased Zimmer scores should be released. I am crossing my fingers for an expanded CT in the near future.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Crimson Tide is a Disney film, so it won't be coming from La-La Land.

No offense to Intrada, but I hate that anything Disney has to come from them. It is my own personal opinion that their remasterings are equal to the original soundtrack release, but not better. They more expand titles than improve the sound. (Please recognize that this is my opinion and you are free to disagree by all means. Just my own personal take! And I'm sure there are many examples where I'm wrong, but that just hasn't seemed to be the case for the titles that I've purchased.)

But mainly, I hate that Intrada owns the opportunity for all disney-related titles because if they choose not to do something (for example Duck Tales the TV show) then nobody can do it. It's like they're squatting on all these titles. If they don't want to do something, let somebody else do it.

And now, lest somebody paint me as a villain for having a less than completely glowing opinion, let me take this opportunity to state that I actually do love many titles released by Intrada, I am most grateful for what they do and plan to purchase many more items from them in the future. I still love you Roger!


Actually you're wrong. We've never chosen not to do a Disney title. We choose to do the Duck Tales TV show but it couldn't get cleared. It wouldn't have mattered which label asked for it. We move at Disney's pace. Having more labels in there wouldn't speed up anything.

 
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