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I thought about adding this to the recent Giallo thread, until I realised that it's not relevant enough. So here goes - a whole new thread about Ennio Morricone on the Cherry Red label.
I picked up one in a "shop" in Glasgow last August (the beauty of brick n' mortar "general music" stores is that their selection of soundtracks is so poor that I'll get any old crap that I have in my hands, just to have something to show for the physical effort I've put in). But I rabbit once more.
The one I have is "Morricone: High - The Trippier Side of the Morricone Genius" ("Ennio Morrricone's beautiful and imaginative compositions for Italian psychedelic and art movies of the late sixties and early seventies"). The content is as follows - (excuse the English-only titles) -
EXCUSE ME, LET'S MAKE LOVE? (5 tracks)
FORBIDDEN PHOTOS OF A LADY ABOVE SUSPICION (4 tracks)
VERUSCHKA (3 tracks)
THE INVISIBLE WOMAN ((2 tracks)
SHORT NIGHT OF THE GLASS DOLLS (1 track)
CAT O' NINE TAILS (1 track)
The two Giallos come at the end, and are represented by only one track each. I'm not an immense fan of dissonant Morricone, but these two are quite intriguing, especially the hypnotic 8:35 (!) final track from CAT O' NINE TAILS (just a kind of semi-rambling build-up behind an "apparently random" repeating motif).
From the other films represented, I'd say that there's probably about one track from each selection which is unappealing to me, either because it's too silly or lightweight for my tastes (British viewers will be reminded of the theme from "Sale of the Century"), or exaggeratedly twee (the girly "la la la"), or "in your face orgasm" (tee hee). However - and this is probably my overall opinion of Morricone in general - when he's good he's absolutely amazing. And some of the pop-based, jazzy baroque melancholy, or just plain gorgeous wordless vocal melodies are among the best I've heard from Ennio. And there's a wonderful song with Edda doing her stuff behind a bossa nova rhythm and Bacharachesque (sp?) trumpet or flugelhorn or something.
So, to get to the bleedin' point - the questions...
1) If you have this album, what's your opinion of it?
2) Are full scores available for all the films represented on the disc? Which are your favourites as a sustained listening experience?
3) I see from the Cherry Red catalogue that there are a few more Ennio compilations on the label. One title that attracts me is "Psichedelico Jazzistico". Anyone got that? Is it good?
I promise to read all of your replies in detail. I may not however take heed of any "advice", in case you turn up in the "Bad Recommendations" thread.
Thanking you in advance!
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Feb 2, 2018 - 3:27 PM
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OnyaBirri
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Onya, I love most of the tracks from FORBIDDEN PHOTOS which are on the Cherry Red comp. The GDM (I think) full score is a double CD (coupled with IL RITORNO DI RINGO - I'm not sure if I love Ennio's spaghettis as much as his other works). Is that the one you have?
I don't have any of the GDM CDs. My copy is on the Dagored label.
My recommendation for Morricone is to start with a few comps, then pick up the full scores you like, and probably get the cheapest one available. These things go in and out of print and the prices can really vary. Be sure to check imdb or another source for all of the film title variations. Some of these films had multiple titles in different languages and even multiple titles in a single language. The various LP and CD releases can reflect this, e.g., Fear Over the City, the Night Caller, Peur sur la ville, Il Poliziotto Della Brigata Criminale. All one film.
There are many exceptions to my next generalization, but I'll say it anyway: In my experience, many expanded versions of Italian soundtracks feature a lot of alternate takes or very subtle variations on the cues that already made it to the original album. Not all, but many. Much as I love Morricone, I have not sprung for every expansion. Go for the affordable ones first, and if you're obsessed, trade up later. You can always unload the first version for at least as much as you paid for it.
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I'm baffled. I thought the EU copyright rule was changed to protect anything after 1964. So how is this label doing late 60s Morricone which is clearly under copyright and not being properly licensed?
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I'm baffled. I thought the EU copyright rule was changed to protect anything after 1964. So how is this label doing late 60s Morricone which is clearly under copyright and not being properly licensed?
Not every release from Europe is a grey market release. Assumptions are never a good idea.
I know enough about El and Cherry Red and its various other subsidiaries to know they have never applied for a license to release a CD. Do offer some evidence to the contrary. Obviously there is nothing to be done about the gray area releases pre 1964 but if the rule was indeed changed for post 1964 then they're either willfully doing this or I'm missing the copyright notices on their packaging. Where is it?
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I know enough about El and Cherry Red and its various other subsidiaries to know they have never applied for a license to release a CD. Do offer some evidence to the contrary. Obviously there is nothing to be done about the gray area releases pre 1964 but if the rule was indeed changed for post 1964 then they're either willfully doing this or I'm missing the copyright notices on their packaging. Where is it?
Why don't you show us some evidence that El/Cherry Red has never legitimately licensed a record?
Shall we assume that every release in general is illegitimate?
I have no problem with El or Cherry Red - if they get away with it great. If they are licensing from the companies that own the late 60s early 70s Morricone stuff, great. I've bought enough of their releases to know they are, at least what I've bought, vinyl rips or taken off other CDs. However, you answer questions with questions, which is no answer at all. If you have great love for them great. I can only tell you about the releases I have and not a one of them is licensed, all are in release because of the EU pre-1964 copyright rule and they are mastered from vinyl. Do you own their Morricone releases? If so, why don't you post the copyright info on the back. You seem very antagonistic here, and very defensive. How come?
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If they are licensing from the companies that own the late 60s early 70s Morricone stuff, great. Do you own their Morricone releases? If so, why don't you post the copyright info on the back.
Bruce, contrary to many of the other El/Cherry Red CDs with unlicensed pre-1964 material, their Morricone stuff from the late 60s/early 70s seems indeed to have been correctly licensed from EMI/General Music in Italy. You can for example easily see the copyright notice of their "Morricone High" CD on the Discogs website:
https://www.discogs.com/Ennio-Morricone-Morricone-High/release/552251
"Phonographic Copyright (p) – Emi Music Publishing Italia Srl
Phonographic Copyright (p) – Emi General Music Srl"
I suppose they would get much trouble from EMI/General Music if they had done otherwise with music which is not in the public domain here in Europe.
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You seem very antagonistic here, and very defensive. How come?
Is it not antagonistic to always make this off-topic claim whenever there is a thread about an El/Cherry Red release?
Edit: I randomly pulled three El/Cherry Red CD releases from the shelf, and saw original copyright dates, along with the phrases "Licensed from Capitol Records," "Licensed from Cinevox," and "Licensed from Universal Music Group." Shall we similarly assume that they are lying?
I have been very specific in saying that the releases I have are all pre-1964. If the later stuff is licensed, great and I'm glad to have the specifics.
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