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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

national geographic mag.

story The Real Jesus.
from a sidebar picture of the Holy Sepulcher church.

"Christian sects warily share the cavernous sanctuary, each laying claim
to a chapel or other space.Key to the church are entrusted to a local Muslim family."

Looks like a matter of trust.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I don’t suppose we’ll ever know but I’m personally convinced that a Jesus figure existed and was built up to suit the people who either for money or power (or even simply to do good, I suppose) wanted to organise a religion.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

If the crucifixion were to be unearthed in newly uncovered Roman records of the period, that would be pure grail. The event did have some standout aspects worthy of recording, according to the Gospels. But as pointed out, we shall probably never find such corroboration.

When the actual burial site of Richard III was found, the almost disbelief on my own part was quite profound. There was a similar situation in Last Crusade, when Indy discovers that 'X' does indeed, mark the spot.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Look forward to NG story on the real Ben Kenobi.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

When the actual burial site of Richard III was found, the almost disbelief on my own part was quite profound.


Yes... the dirty, king-stealing Leicesterites.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Yes... the dirty, king-stealing Leicesterites.

Local politics is one thing, but the actual finding of a figure mentioned in the history books and the literature, fleshed out the man from the myth in my lifetime. Something I'd never ever thought to see.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Yes... the dirty, king-stealing Leicesterites.

Local politics is one thing, but the actual finding of a figure mentioned in the history books and the literature, fleshed out the man from the myth in my lifetime. Something I'd never ever thought to see.


Absolutely, didn’t intend to devalue that observation. It was also fascinating to note that he did indeed have some kind of spinal problem. Sure that he had an undeserved reputation, though, and should be buried either in Westminster Abbey or York Minster, and not obliged to spend any more time in the place where he fell.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Which reminds me . . . the Bayeux Tapestry. Indy made some fake excuses to get to see his ones.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I think what Dogbelle was getting at is the fact that all these Christian denominations are happy with letting a Muslim family be caretakers of the keys.

It just goes as a tribute to the fact that 'trust' can be done if you want it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The eye of the storm is usually where there's calm.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)



Absolutely, didn’t intend to devalue that observation. It was also fascinating to note that he did indeed have some kind of spinal problem. Sure that he had an undeserved reputation, though, and should be buried either in Westminster Abbey or York Minster, and not obliged to spend any more time in the place where he fell.



Undeserved? He abducted his own nephew on Coronation day, having promised his own brother on his deathbed that he'd 'look after him', then declared him illegitimate, locked him in the Tower, stole his crown and he was never seen again... though skeletons were found.

Well HE sounds like a nice chap.

Revisionism. Just coz he looks like Gavin Esler when you dig him up, doesn't mean he's off any hooks.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Revisionism. Just coz he looks like Gavin Esler when you dig him up, doesn't mean he's off any hooks.

Here be a hole on the path. If I canst foil mine own brother to pass over but once, then yay, I must therefore pass me by, with not a hair on mine own head harmed.

Valid point, after much jollity feigned to do me in.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

I think what Dogbelle was getting at is the fact that all these Christian denominations are happy with letting a Muslim family be caretakers of the keys.

It just goes as a tribute to the fact that 'trust' can be done if you want it.


what he said

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)



Absolutely, didn’t intend to devalue that observation. It was also fascinating to note that he did indeed have some kind of spinal problem. Sure that he had an undeserved reputation, though, and should be buried either in Westminster Abbey or York Minster, and not obliged to spend any more time in the place where he fell.



Undeserved? He abducted his own nephew on Coronation day, having promised his own brother on his deathbed that he'd 'look after him', then declared him illegitimate, locked him in the Tower, stole his crown and he was never seen again... though skeletons were found.

Well HE sounds like a nice chap.

Revisionism. Just coz he looks like Gavin Esler when you dig him up, doesn't mean he's off any hooks.



Heh heh - Gavin Esler. However, I’m pretty sure that at least two of the six wives of history’s favourite king would have the odd complaint against him, too. Which monarchs down the years don’t have the odd skeleton in the tower, I mean, closet?

And give Dickie some slack - the poor sod has been in Leicester for hundreds of years and now has to suffer a visitors centre.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

ok! who took the key?

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Sorry, DB. It's very easy to run amok with a thread title such as this.

 
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