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 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

What's could be next? What will come later? What has barely any chance at all?

I would like to know what you think/know. Based on license situation, popularity, etc. what can we expect in the next years?

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Not sure about likelihood, but I'll be happy with the following (some dream) titles:

Twilight's Last Gleaming - re-issue
Leviathan - re-issue or expansion
Air Force One - expansion (including McNeely material)
MacArthur - re-issue or expansion
Raggedy Man - re-issue
The Flim-Flam Man - re-issue (with better art!)
100 Rifles - same as Film-Flam!
The Chairman - newly recorded and expanded

I'd also love a newly recorded JG western anthology, including one CD of the reportedly missing Batch Patch and Face of a Fugitive, and a second CD containing suites from all his other westerns! Similar to what Tadlow did with The Blue max / Suites and Themes release.

I think it was Yavar who suggested a newly recorded CD containing orchestral adaptations of Jerry's three electronic scores (Alien Nation, Runaway and Criminal Law). That would be awesome.

Hopefully, the Tadlow KoK Kickstarter will be successful, paving the way for things such as this to happen.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

What's could be next? What will come later? What has barely any chance at all?

I would like to know what you think/know. Based on license situation, popularity, etc. what can we expect in the next years?


"The Secret of NIMH" had an expansion, but it's not complete. Intrada said after an extensive search the masters couldn't be located. So a complete release falls under, "barely any chance at all".

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well I've actually done a fairly thorough thread about exactly this, here:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90657&forumID=1&archive=0

Then another thread about what Goldsmith scores are confirmed lost and unreleasable/unexpandable:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=111632&archive=0

You'd also probably find interesting this thread, "What Goldsmith is left to premiere?"
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=109757&archive=0

And perhaps you might be interested in the results of my informal poll, "What Goldsmith do you want next from Varese?"
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=3&threadID=114138&archive=0

We know LLL has strongly hinted at remastered reissues of 100 Rifles (though released complete by FSM, it was their worst-sounding Goldsmith western) and The Swarm (probably two disc, with complete score and premiere of Goldsmith's unique and excellent LP album assembly).

I'm sure Varese and Intrada have more Goldsmith in the pipeline, and maybe Quartet too -- they're regularly full of Goldsmith surprises! And with any luck if James Fitzpatrick's King of Kings Kickstarter is successful, he will consider doing one for Black Patch / Face of a Fugitive as he's expressed interest in the past and located the original written scores.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


I think it was Yavar who suggested a newly recorded CD containing orchestral adaptations of Jerry's three electronic scores (Alien Nation, Runaway and Criminal Law). That would be awesome.
Hopefully, the Tadlow KoK Kickstarter will be successful, paving the way for things such as this to happen.


I did -- originally in my wish list thread about what was then an ongoing series of complete Goldsmith reconstructions/new recordings from Prometheus and Tadlow:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93066&forumID=1&archive=0

(Have I been Goldsmith-obsessed this past decade or what?)

And then, excitingly, reconstructionist Leigh Phillips (The Salamander, The Blue Max, Damnation Alley) replied to my query of what Goldsmith projects he was most interested in tackling in the future with the following:
"I'm not sure how many scores are planned for the series - but, if I could pick anything, it would be one of three things:
. Complete Lionheart (the soundtrack performance is pretty poor)
. A CD of his scores for Thriller & Twilight Zone
or
. Orchestral realisation of one of his 'synth trilogy' scores (which maybe interesting, as he tended to write quite orchestrally for the keyboards on those projects)
Those would be my choices...but who knows what's next :-)"
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=95569&forumID=1&archive=0

We know that he is co-producer on (now two volumes of) Thriller for Tadlow, making one of his dreams a reality for all of us. Maybe some day he'll tackle the synth scores orchestration project as well!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

Thanks, for those links.

Okay, so no Under Fire, no Secret of NIMH and no Legend. frown

Why do you assume that Leviathan could be lost, although it is comparatively quite new?

If you guessed, what would you say are the most probable scores to be completed in 2018?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2017 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

2018 is an anniversary year for Mulan. The only question is: where does Disney prioritize Mulan?

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Of these, an expanded Leviathan and MacArthur appeal most.

I pipe dream that one day pristine original masters might be found for the complete The Chairman (it is one of my favourites) and The Satan Bug (another of my favourites).

Failing that, I would enjoy Tadlow recreations of The Chairman and The Satan Bug.

I am looking forward to Thriller, Volume 2.

My main "seems-realistic" hope for 2018 is that Intrada do The Reincarnation of Peter Proud, employing the same restorative principles as they employed on Damnation Alley.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Leviathan would be amazing. I love that score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I'd be interested in, Air Force One, US Marshall's, I'm unfamiliar to both movies/scores as I don't investment much time watching newer Harrison Ford movies.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'd be interested in, Air Force One, US Marshall's, I'm unfamiliar to both movies/scores as I don't investment much time watching newer Harrison Ford movies.



Newer? It came out 20 years ago...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

Small Soldiers. But I've read that the pick-up session cues are lost. Is that true?

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2017 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Small Soldiers. But I've read that the pick-up session cues are lost. Is that true?

Where did you read that? All I've heard is that they're not on the unmentionable, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be found for an official release -- just look at Star Trek: Insurrection.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

I don't think that Small Soldiers is lost or whatever. It is much too new. Besides next year is great for a 20th anniversary edition! Don't miss it like Air Force One!

But why is it assumed that Leviathan is lost?

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2017 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Just last year, as I recall, MV told us we'd be surprised at how many scores are missing from the 1990's.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2017 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I'd be interested in, Air Force One, US Marshall's, I'm unfamiliar to both movies/scores as I don't investment much time watching newer Harrison Ford movies.



Newer? It came out 20 years ago...


What I meant! Goldsmith's later 90s scores I'm unfamiliar with, Ford's films were good up until the Fugitive, mid 90s, after that I'm not too interested in Ford.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

So aside from the two LLL titles they've explicitly hinted at (100 Rifles and The Swarm), here's what I personally think we are most likely to see expanded in 2018:

The Last Castle -- one of his very last remaining late period scores not controlled by Varese. With Quartet recently putting out Rissa House complete, you can bet that they -- or LLL or Intrada -- will be putting this out sooner or later. Original album was on Decca (UMG-owned, like Russia House) and I think the additional cues would be licensed from Paramount, as was done recently with The Haunting from Varese (also a DreamWorks film). And there are some good highlights missing in the 20+ unreleased minutes (including a stronger film version of one or two cues, not mentioned by DeputyRiley in his excellent breakdown):
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110369&archive=0

The Mummy -- I admit I'm kinda stumped why this popular score (another UMG owned album) has not yet received a complete release...possibly tied up because of the new attempt to restart the franchise? But hopefully that's no longer an issue.

Mulan -- either Disney will do it themselves or Intrada will pick it up...you can bet on it happening, and maybe this coming year.

When you get to older titles it becomes a question of whether elements survive or not. I'm hoping Intrada or someone will release expanded versions of the UMG-controlled MacArthur (album was maybe not the film recording? I've never heard definitively) and The Lonely Guy (the only Goldsmith released commercially on LP but still not yet on CD and a really underrated score). I think based on a couple comments from Roger (that the old Varese Club Raggedy Man was everything heard in the film) that he may have been looking into a reissue for Intrada...so that's a possibility though this long OOP title probably won't be expanded. Intrada has also been long hoping to premiere The Reincarnation of Peter Proud but there have been elements issues. If those are solved or if they finally decide to just release the best sounding stuff available (like they did with those three Rambo cues from cassette) then we can all expect an album from them.

Assuming Silvia doesn't control it in perpetuity (like Legend but unlike Rambo: First Blood Part II?) I bet that somebody produces a definitive two disc Supergirl before long.

Sadly we know for certain that full tapes are lost for Legend, Link (yes there are complete unmentionables for both but with the additional music in pretty poor sound quality), Under Fire, The Secret of NIMH, In Harm's Way (these two Intrada was able to slightly expand with cues saved for consideration for the original albums, but not complete), Black Patch, Face of a Fugitive, Lilies of the Field (Twilight Time isolated score track was "with effects"), Pursuit, Shamus, Ransom, The Last Run (confirmed by Lukas Kendall when FSM reissued the LP recording), and Take Her, She's Mine (at least Varese proclaimed it unsalvageable when they released their Goldsmith at Fox box). As far as other titles with exclusive music in that box set, I have no idea if more survives in the Fox archives for The Chairman, S*P*Y*S, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, or Anna and the King. No one seems in a rush to do those last three but those would be some of the most exciting potential expansions for me. The Chairman seems to be problematic as far as source material, or I'm sure someone would have put it out by now. The Man, Crawlspace, and High Velocity (one of my personal favorites) are all probably lost too, though not officially confirmed.

As for the Varese-controlled titles, who knows what will be next? The ones they expanded since my informal poll didn't even touch the top 5 most wanted titles from it, so it doesn't make a ton of sense for me to predict Small Soldiers or Air Force One DEs at this point. I think we'll get them eventually but no idea as to time table. And I would've thought they'd put out CDs of the complete scores to The Other and the Flints when Twilight Time did their Blu-rays with isolated score tracks...yet they didn't. Hopefully some day.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2017 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

Thanks a lot Yavar!

What you compiled as most probable titles is basically the newest non-Varese titles in general. I agree on what you said about the Varese-controlled titles. They will eventually be released, but their output is entirely unpredictable. It is just a matter of "when" not "whether".

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2017 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

And then there's "Freud" (which is missing some music that wasn't on the Varese Sarabande Deluxe Edition C.D., such as Henk Bedings' electronic music that was used for the dream scenes that was performed by Gino Marinuzzi, plus the music for the hypnosis scene that was tracked in "Alien" - the one on the Varese C.D. is an alternate take).

 
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