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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

Hello,

I have a question for Intrada, La La Land and FSM (the label, not the website). Where are your physical media pressing plants located? I ask out of sheer curiosity because I happen to live in China (and currently have The West Wing and Titanic winging their way here from both La La and Varese) and use a shopping app called Taobao. It's really big here, sort of a poor man's Amazon. It's owned by the giant Alibaba corporation and sells anything from 1$ US candies to cars and airplane tickets. Being China, you can also buy tons of fake things on there and today, I found a person with an online soundtrack shop. Looking at his product list, there are tons of fake copies of La La Land, Intrada and FSM limited edition scores. I can get Lost in Space, the Superman Blue Box and the Ron Jones TNG box sets for about 8 USD each (after local currency conversion).
I already own two of those in a storage space back in Canada (I dislike Lost in Space) and prefer to support the companies anyway instead of buying fakes, not to mention the fact that the quality on a fake could be questionable at best. However, they must be copied from somewhere and that is why I ask. They have a whole whackload of titles including some rare and out of print stuff like Towering Inferno and other older FSM goodies. The Goonies and Ghostbusters are also there, so Varese is not immune.
Thanks for your time. Obviously, I was a little peeved at seeing these copies but I live within two blocks of a shop where I can get the Star Wars Blu Ray Saga for $15 and a complete Beatles box set for less. Nothing can stop the copies here (and I am guilty of buying movies on DVD that are still in the cinema because I prefer not to see the Chinese government censored versions).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Isn't this the norm of how China treats western intellectual and commercial property?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

Of course, fakes are everywhere here but usually, only relatively in demand items. I can't see the Ron Jones set being in high demand here. You can also find cheap real products on that app that fall off the back of a truck when leaving the factory. This is why I asked where the plants were located, otherwise some Chinese has access to tons of scores to reproduce right down to the booklets.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

I didn't realize that LLL, Intrada and the other labels are now the victim of fakes by China. A few weeks ago I was looking onto buying the Beatles box set on eBay. There are a lot of fake pressings from $30 - $50 on a regular $150 set. And as tempting as it is to just buy a fake copy because all you want is the music and never think of reselling them anyway, I will never give in. On youtube they have angry buyers showing the defects and explaining all the details of what to look for. The big flag I noticed is the price difference. It looks too good to be true. And the buyers were fooled by purchasing these from American companies who were also fooled from the fakes. I don't know how they keep getting away with this? I guess there are still a large sum of people who don't care and are willing to buy the fakes to save money, I guess these fraud companies will always have business.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Hi rob,

Do you have any of the taobao links you can share for those albums? I have seen some of these sellers before, but when they list on taobao the pictures of the items are not sealed - they are usually just images of the covers. I was excited by the prices for some rare Zhao Jiping scores and ordered a few from a taobao reseller a while ago. The items ship to a warehouse and they took pictures of everything before it shipped. The photos came back of cardboard sleeve, with no covers etc. In the fine print of the Chinese item description it stated that they were CDs, but not originals.

In one case I did get an original CD, but the image for the CD for sale showed a picture of the physical sealed CD.

Thanks.


Every once and a while I try to setup an alipay account and fail, same goes for an Amazon china account as I don't have a Chinese mobile number...a few items I'm still trying to track down. smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

This one on taobao looks legit - but it's $350CAD
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.111.313d8eddaGWsYa&id=43799360396&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail

This also looks like part of the box, and also legit and used:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.25.313d8eddaGWsYa&id=559527569743&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail

I can't seem to find anything that looks like a fake superman box on there.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Found the thread where I shared my taobao/third party shipper experience:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113310&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Is there anyone out there who bought a used soundtrack not from LLL, FSM, Intrada, etc but from a trusted party and found a fake? I buy a lot from 3rd party on Amazon and they were always the legit copy. But I imagine it can happen now that there are millions of fakes around.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Now this seller, filmtracks, offering this for $8, it's sketchy.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-5327832162.75.5948a4dSvXtYG&id=555671944285

The images of the original cd look real - but the price doesn't give me confidence that you'll get the original. But it would be worth getting in touch with the seller - who knows?

Here's the Towering Inferno:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-5327832154.19.1cf42f46cVrrnE&id=525182409162

I'm guessing that this person is just selling burned CD copies of the original discs. For that price they may make a colour printed insert case to match but there's no way you're going to get an original CD. I'd avoid this filmtracks seller all together. The fact that they have images of the FSM Superman set CD by CD, confirms this - this may even be the same person I bought my stupid jiping CD-Rs from, they came in brown cardboard sleeves, on MAXELL black LP style CD-Rs, with a extra printed sheet listing the tracks.



 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

The big difference is usually the fonts or spelling errors. But if they scanned the covers you can always tell no matter how good the scan is. Or the paper quality it was printed on. I worry this will hurt the businesses that sell the real product because of distrust from customers.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

I use the app, which doesn't give out links. However, I found a seller called "Filmtracks". It is not the same seller in the links above. When I look for the same products on the browser version, I cannot find them. The seller does show the Lost in Space set. Try this, it's watermarked onto the LIS picture..

http://shop108259437.taobao.com

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

Weird, the Superman Blue Box is the same as the link you posted. His La La ST:TMP set also shows as a physical set. I know that they sometimes use photos that do not reflect the actual packaging but I just wanted to make people aware. I love living here but the fakes are amusing in most cases and annoying as heck in this one.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Also to answer your original question - I know Intrada has on occasion used Discmakers in the USA for some of their releases. I know Jaws The Revenge was one of them, I think the CORE may have been too:
https://www.discmakers.com/

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I use the app, which doesn't give out links. However, I found a seller called "Filmtracks". It is not the same seller in the links above. When I look for the same products on the browser version, I cannot find them. The seller does show the Lost in Space set. Try this, it's watermarked onto the LIS picture..

http://shop108259437.taobao.com


I would avoid this seller period.

Are you into Chinese film score at all? Been looking for someone in China for a while that might be able to look into some releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

I am not into Chinese scores but I can definitely look into some for you. Being on the ground here may make things easier. Shoot me an email:

rob1912ca@gmail.com

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

A causal collector falls for this trap every-time, cd-Japan, nothing else.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)


I have a question for Intrada, La La Land and FSM (the label, not the website). Where are your physical media pressing plants located?


Doug Fake said on the Intrada board in 2015:

"We actually have several plants, all of them supervised by hamsters. The main independent plant we use for many of our releases (Fox, MGM) is Disc Makers in New Jersey. Our Disney and Universal Music Group projects are pressed directly by UMG. Sony (and RCA) titles are all pressed by Sony. And Warner Bros. does their properties for us. Happily, we've managed to get things to a stage where we can do all of the final mastering at our end now and then just get the final pressings made at the respective plants."

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I am not into Chinese scores but I can definitely look into some for you. Being on the ground here may make things easier. Shoot me an email:

rob1912ca@gmail.com


Email sent. Thanks big grin

 
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