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 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

http://www.quartetrecords.com/casino-royale-2.html

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

So this is a remastered version of Quartet's original cd set.

Now I will have five different CASINO ROYALE soundtracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Cool! I’m glad I hadn’t picked up any of the other editions now. Feels like this score is constantly being released. I think I’ll just have to pick this version up!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Nah, wait another five years and maybe better tapes will be found.


Just kidding. Or am I?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I wasn't going to buy this, but the samples sound so good. I had the old, ages ago Varese CD & it didn't sound good at all, the loud bits seemed to distort. Bad film (I saw it twice at the cinema, sort of hoping it would be better the second time round), great score, great Richard Williams main titles & great film poster.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Great remastering of the vinyl version (original album). However, only one comment: considering that it is a commemorative edition of the 50th anniversary of the sountrack, why not also include the complete film score version? In that case, it would be 2 CDs, of course (as it was in the 2012 edition). If I checked correctly, 14 tracks were missing (!!):


Cock O' The North
Agent Mimi Locked In Her Room
Little French Boy (Drink A Pint Of Milk A Day)
Money Penny's Bedroom
Buckingham Club
Back To London
Arrival In Berlin
Escape From The Berlin House
Hi There Miss Goodthighs
Dream On James, You're Winning
My Name Is Bond, James Bond
Torture Sequence (Complete)
Mata's Kidnapping - Flying Saucer
Sister McTarry

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Weren't the tapes for the full score not found? Or some cues damaged so badly they couldn't be salvaged?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Maybe I will wait for the super duper 51st anniversary version then?

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Weren't the tapes for the full score not found? Or some cues damaged so badly they couldn't be salvaged?

I do not understand this ... in the 2012 edition (45th Anniversary), they, Quartet released on disc 1 the complete film score (33 tracks, 58 minutes!), and vinyl version on disc 2 (34 min). I really love this release.

Now 14 tracks have been deleted from the film score ... I really would like to buy this edition 50 years ... but with the film score incomplete?
It would be because of 'expenses' and then release just 1 CD? Well, that really left me discouraged frown

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I don't know. A very quick search for the Kritzerland thread yielded this from their announcement:


This is the third CD release for Casino Royale (although both releases on Varese Sarabande were pretty much identical) – the original LP has long been considered one of the great audiophile releases, thanks to a nod in The Absolute Sound. But due to an unfortunate accident, just prior to the transfer of the master tape, the tape was rewound too quickly and stripped of iron oxide, thereby compromising and damaging the tape. The transfer could still be made and the CD came out – but anyone expecting it to sound like the LP was disappointed, and for obvious reasons. For this release, we have spent much time in trying to alleviate some of the effects of the tape damage – our mastering engineer, James Nelson, has painstakingly and lovingly repaired numerous dropouts and other anomalies and we’ve worked very hard to get this to sound as good as it ever has or will, and the result is pretty amazing. We’ve also added three short bonus cues, available on CD for the first time, including the original end credits vocal. And, of course, we get the great performances of Dusty Springfield and Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass.

But one of the main reasons for doing this third CD release was to offer as a bonus a straight transfer of that original record – done from several pristine copies of the LP – so that the original sound, with no additional processing or EQ, is captured on CD for the very first time. We leave it for others to judge whether that sound holds up for today’s listeners. Given what happened to the master tape, this is as close to that original LP sound as we’re ever going to get.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Maybe I will wait for the super duper 51st anniversary version then?


In fact, if you already have the 45th anniversary version (Quartet), then you already have the full score film (CD 1) ...

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Haineshisway 2010:

"while one should never say never, Burt didn't seem to have anything else on this title, and MGM has nothing else. So, unless a miracle occurs somehow (and they do), I don't know that there will ever be more than this."

Quartet on their 2012 CD release:

"This release is extracted from the mono music stem. The only source available and searchable after 45 years."

Another comment by Quartet on their 2012 CD release:

"The hiss come from the Music Stem (a 45 years old Music Stem!!). This is not an audio tape, is a Music Stem extracted from the DME. Or this, or nothing."

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Thanks, that was some fast research. You obviously knew what to look for more than me.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Probably I'm not so clear in my doubts ... my basic question is that the 45th anniversary version has the complete film score (it's what is written on the Quartet booklet) ... but now the 50th anniversary version has not the complete film version, just the complete soundtrack album ...
Following this reasoning, the 45th anniversary edition is complete (2 CDs, by the way), and the 50th anniversary edition (1 CD) is not complete (I even wrote the names of the 14 tracks that did not include in this 50th anniversary release) ......

Why not make a double CD again, complete as the 45th anniversary edition?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Probably they don't include tracks, on which Chris couldn't do proper restoration?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   MikeF   (Member)

Great remastering of the vinyl version (original album). However, only one comment: considering that it is a commemorative edition of the 50th anniversary of the sountrack, why not also include the complete film score version? In that case, it would be 2 CDs, of course (as it was in the 2012 edition). If I checked correctly, 14 tracks were missing (!!):


Cock O' The North
Agent Mimi Locked In Her Room
Little French Boy (Drink A Pint Of Milk A Day)
Money Penny's Bedroom
Buckingham Club
Back To London
Arrival In Berlin
Escape From The Berlin House
Hi There Miss Goodthighs
Dream On James, You're Winning
My Name Is Bond, James Bond
Torture Sequence (Complete)
Mata's Kidnapping - Flying Saucer
Sister McTarry


I think what Quartet are saying is that they are first presenting all the tracks that you can find on the original soundtrack album in the order they were presented there. Then they are going to the music stems to provide the tracks that were not on the album.

So, tracks like "Little French Boy" they are not including from the stems as that is already on the CD from the original album. On the 2012 2CD set they included both of these versions each time. Other tracks like "Buckingham Club" I'd guess they feel it is a duplicate of a lounge version of "The Look Of Love" , or "Sister McTarry" is a duplicate of "Agent Mimi".

However there are still some tracks that are missing (I guess to fit it on 1 CD) such as Cock O' The North, probably as a track they thought people would miss least.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Probably I'm not so clear in my doubts ... my basic question is that the 45th anniversary version has the complete film score (it's what is written on the Quartet booklet) ... but now the 50th anniversary version has not the complete film version, just the complete soundtrack album ...
Following this reasoning, the 45th anniversary edition is complete (2 CDs, by the way), and the 50th anniversary edition (1 CD) is not complete (I even wrote the names of the 14 tracks that did not include in this 50th anniversary release) ......

Why not make a double CD again, complete as the 45th anniversary edition?


I assume they just didn't want to work on the complete stem again, for whatever reason.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Great remastering of the vinyl version (original album). However, only one comment: considering that it is a commemorative edition of the 50th anniversary of the sountrack, why not also include the complete film score version? In that case, it would be 2 CDs, of course (as it was in the 2012 edition). If I checked correctly, 14 tracks were missing (!!):


Cock O' The North
Agent Mimi Locked In Her Room
Little French Boy (Drink A Pint Of Milk A Day)
Money Penny's Bedroom
Buckingham Club
Back To London
Arrival In Berlin
Escape From The Berlin House
Hi There Miss Goodthighs
Dream On James, You're Winning
My Name Is Bond, James Bond
Torture Sequence (Complete)
Mata's Kidnapping - Flying Saucer
Sister McTarry


I think what Quartet are saying is that they are first presenting all the tracks that you can find on the original soundtrack album in the order they were presented there. Then they are going to the music stems to provide the tracks that were not on the album.

So, tracks like "Little French Boy" they are not including from the stems as that is already on the CD from the original album. On the 2012 2CD set they included both of these versions each time. Other tracks like "Buckingham Club" I'd guess they feel it is a duplicate of a lounge version of "The Look Of Love" , or "Sister McTarry" is a duplicate of "Agent Mimi".

However there are still some tracks that are missing (I guess to fit it on 1 CD) such as Cock O' The North, probably as a track they thought people would miss least.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Carburetor Float   (Member)

Probably I'm not so clear in my doubts ... my basic question is that the 45th anniversary version has the complete film score (it's what is written on the Quartet booklet) ... but now the 50th anniversary version has not the complete film version, just the complete soundtrack album ...
Following this reasoning, the 45th anniversary edition is complete (2 CDs, by the way), and the 50th anniversary edition (1 CD) is not complete (I even wrote the names of the 14 tracks that did not include in this 50th anniversary release) ......

Why not make a double CD again, complete as the 45th anniversary edition?


I assume they just didn't want to work on the complete stem again, for whatever reason.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Please allow me to answer a few questions about this release.

1.) Burt Bacharach’s score underwent several alterations for the film. Most significant was the “tracking” or repeating of (full and partial) cues in scenes where they were not originally intended. Quartet’s 2012 2-CD set presented all the tracking with everything in show order.

2.) For this release, we were limited to working with one (1) CD only. On that basis, we immediately needed to make some decisions about how best to work within those limitations. Given this constraint, we didn’t want to repeat the tracked cues and we left off the bagpipe source music that was not composed by Burt Bacharach. Furthermore, we didn’t feel the need to repeat all the cues that were heard on the original 1967 soundtrack album, although we did repeat some.

3.) To supplement the original 1967 album, we used the same M-G-M music stems that were used in 2012 and approached them with a different artistic intent.

4.) All told, there is very little missing from this release that was heard in the film. The most notable exceptions are source music, in particular bagpipes—and I’m confident that there are more soundtrack fans on this forum than bagpipe fans.

5.) If you love this score, we feel that this version is the best yet. Of course I’m biased in making that statement but we tried hard to present everything in the best light yet do something different.

Chris

 
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