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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Alfred Newman is one of my favorite film composers, but even given that I couldn't get through How the West was won. Some of the music I really liked, but the down home thing (and songs) really got to me quick, and basically ruined it for me. I know, blasphemic.

This is how it is for me and Western scores by any composer, as revered as they are: Good, Bad, Ugly, High Noon...all of them. I want to like them so much, but the above foils my appreciation each time.

I'm just curious is anyone else feels similarly. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

OnyaBirri hates all Westerns.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

OnyaBirri hates all Westerns.

I'm fine with the movies listed above (plus Unforgiven and the Tarantino stuff). I just have a terrible time with the musical idiom so integral to the style, it always sounds too hokey for me.

No offense to fans of Western scores btw.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Sorry. Way to the other side where I find the some of the strongest scores from any composer lie in the western genre. Including relatively more recent efforts by James Newton Howard (WYATT EARP), Hans Zimmer (RANGO) and the Horner ZORROS.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Sorry. Way to the other side where I find the some of the strongest scores from any composer lie in the western genre. Including relatively more recent efforts by James Newton Howard (WYATT EARP), Hans Zimmer (RANGO) and the Horner ZORROS.

Whoa, I just checked out clips from the Tadlow Alamo and WOW! I think I might have started this topic too soon (embarrassed). What a recording!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

The 'Americana' aspects in music for Westerns are my least favorite.
I have no affection for The Big Country by Moross, for example, because of my aesthetic predilections.

I much prefer the Euro Western soundtracks from the late 1960s & early '70s (like Carlo Savina's Ehi Amigo ... Sei Morto & A.F. Lavagnino's Vendetta per Vendetta & Mario Migliardi's Prega il Morto a Ammazza il Vivo) when their music communicates the nihilistic facets found in this genre.

Even so, the Euro Westerns themselves do not significantly figure into my personal Top 100 soundtrack albums (perhaps 2 of them in my Top 100 and none of them rank within my Top 50).

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah I think it depends on the score. How the West Was Won is an unusual case due to all the songs. I'll bet you could whittle down an awesome 45 minute program that you just adore for it.

I adore western films and scores in general, but my taste tends strongly towards darker western music (the badass main title of How the West Was Won qualifies but much of the rest does not), and a lot of the bouncy happy-go-lucky sounding Copland Americana homages I consider a little "hokey" myself oftentimes. I love Elmer Bernstein but with the success of The Magnificent Seven both he and others had to fit in that template for some time because that's what was asked for.

Have you tried (m)any of Jerry Goldsmith's westerns? I never skip a single track of Rio Lobo, Rio Conchos, The Red Pony, Hour of the Gun (Tadlow did an amazing complete recording), 100 Rifles, or Bandolero! Nothing hokey there IMO. A few of the others I might whittle down a little, I guess. But each Goldsmith western score is incredibly unique and powerful in its own way, starting with his very first feature score for Black Patch all the way back in 1957 (sadly unreleased):


Another great Jerry western score...this time Fielding instead of Goldsmith -- I'd be shocked if this sounded hokey to you in the slightest:


I haven't gotten it yet, but the most recent Tadlow Tiomkin project was Duel in the Sun, and I gotta say that even as a usual-detractor of Tiomkin, this is pretty badass:


I think you'd like Bruce Broughton's scores for True Women and Tombstone (mmmm...powerful tympani).



Finally let me give the highest possible recommendation to two western scores by Basil Poledouris, a great composer I know you've started to explore -- Lonesome Dove and Quigley Down Under (the latter set in Australia but it's basically a western with the main character an American cowboy...honestly a very good movie too):





Yes, it's banjo action music and it's awesome.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Not like western film scores? I just fainted. For me, certain western scores are what lead me into my love for film scores. Check out the following main titles just in case we can find something you like.

Ken Thorne’s Hannie Caulder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJQlof3ufw

Jerry Goldsmith’s rousing title from Take A Hard Ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOK6ReOnJhU

Bernstein’s The Comancheros. Neat counterpoint at .54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAKQkr4Spw


And then there is the greatest. Bernstein’s The Magnificent Seven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IakMkSQYLVk

For a different sound, here is Basil Poledouris’ The Attack from Quigley Down Under

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am941eWzy3s

And his lovely score for Lonesome Dove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqTExeEAYqs


I could go on and on. These titles are thematic and rousing. I’d suggest you check out music
from The Big Country. The main title has swirling violins. Goldsmith’s Rio Conchos and Lonely Are the Brave at both wonderful. Barry's Dances With Wolves is lovely.

Yavar, I think I just posted The Attack like you did.
Oops.
Oh well, to each his or her own.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I've made my own playlist of HTWWW, minus the hillbilly noise (IMHO) and the Debbie Reynolds songs and really enjoy it. Apart from that and the somewhat campy Quick and The Dead score, I am not a fan of westerns.


Alfred Newman is one of my favorite film composers, but even given that I couldn't get through How the West was won. Some of the music I really liked, but the down home thing (and songs) really got to me quick, and basically ruined it for me. I know, blasphemic.

This is how it is for me and Western scores by any composer, as revered as they are: Good, Bad, Ugly, High Noon...all of them. I want to like them so much, but the above foils my appreciation each time.

I'm just curious is anyone else feels similarly. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Yavar, glad you mentioned True Women and Tombstone. I like the main title to Tombstone and also its lovely love theme. I would add Broughton's Silverado to that list. It is probably sacrilegious to say this, but I can't get into Jerry Fielding's westerns with the exception of parts of The Wild Bunch.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Orrence   (Member)

The number of Western Scores which really appeal to me are too many to mention, but here are a few of them. Some of the main themes go 'round and 'round in my head once I hear them being played. They can be so addictive and ...some of them very haunting and full of atmosphere:
The Big Country (Jerome Moross)
The Magnificent Seven (Elmer Bernstein)
Dances with Wolves (John Barry)
Once Upon A Time in The West(Ennio Morricone) ... plus his spaghetti Westen scores
I also like the folk-tune based cues which occur in many Westerns : the sheer variety of music seems to echo the particular extremes of life during that era, especially in the major productions.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I love: Magnificent Seven, Cowboys, and Missouri Breaks,

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Orrence   (Member)

I've made my own playlist of HTWWW, minus the hillbilly noise (IMHO) and the Debbie Reynolds songs and really enjoy it. Apart from that and the somewhat campy Quick and The Dead score, I am not a fan of westerns.


Alfred Newman is one of my favorite film composers, but even given that I couldn't get through How the West was won. Some of the music I really liked, but the down home thing (and songs) really got to me quick, and basically ruined it for me. I know, blasphemic.

This is how it is for me and Western scores by any composer, as revered as they are: Good, Bad, Ugly, High Noon...all of them. I want to like them so much, but the above foils my appreciation each time.

I'm just curious is anyone else feels similarly. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week!

[I think it would be quite difficult to avoid some 'folksy music' in a Western as it was part of the culture ... struggling people, many from different countries. trying to settle against so many odds. But, as a lover of musicals (Calamity Jane in particular) and living in a part of the world where the folk culture and choirs/singing are alive and kicking .. I am probably biased. Am probably beyond hope as I find Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman quite enjoyable.]

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Orrence   (Member)

I've made my own playlist of HTWWW, minus the hillbilly noise (IMHO) and the Debbie Reynolds songs and really enjoy it. Apart from that and the somewhat campy Quick and The Dead score, I am not a fan of westerns.


Alfred Newman is one of my favorite film composers, but even given that I couldn't get through How the West was won. Some of the music I really liked, but the down home thing (and songs) really got to me quick, and basically ruined it for me. I know, blasphemic.

This is how it is for me and Western scores by any composer, as revered as they are: Good, Bad, Ugly, High Noon...all of them. I want to like them so much, but the above foils my appreciation each time.

I'm just curious is anyone else feels similarly. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week!]

I think it would be quite difficult to avoid some 'folksy music' in a Western as it was part of the culture ... struggling people, many from different countries. trying to settle against so many odds. But, as a lover of musicals (Calamity Jane in particular) and living in a part of the world where the folk culture and choirs/singing are alive and kicking .. I am probably biased. Am probably beyond hope as I find Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman quite enjoyable.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I really don't care for Westerns, I just don't gravitate towards them. Likewise I don't pay much attention to Western scores. There's a certain style and sameness that tires on me. But there are a few stand outs like Alamo and Wyatt Earp.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Yeah I think it depends on the score. How the West Was Won is an unusual case due to all the songs. I'll bet you could whittle down an awesome 45 minute program that you just adore for it.

Have you tried (m)any of Jerry Goldsmith's westerns? I never skip a single track of Rio Lobo, Rio Conchos, The Red Pony, Hour of the Gun (Tadlow did an amazing complete recording), 100 Rifles, or Bandolero! Nothing hokey there IMO. A few of the others I might whittle down a little, I guess.

Yavar


Yay! Nice shout out to whittling in another thread!

Seriously, I love Rio Conchos (Intrada), Hour of the Gun (Prometheus), The Cowboys and that Rare Breed suite on Silva. Also Wyatt Earp, Tombstone and Dances with Wolves (not really a typical Western score in approach, but still).

To the OP, have you tried out the HTWWW suite on Silva's Greatest Western Themes Vol 1 comp?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Rexor   (Member)

I agree that some of the songs in HTWWW were grating, but I love the optimistic and expansive sounds of Westerns (... and the songs and folktunes). For me, there is something about Westerns that is appealing, from the Opening Titles. There is:

Rio Conchos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPJA0oSv22s

One-Eyed Jacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZEvgAomIM

Johnny Guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAycA7Ucf6g

Wild Wild West

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHAlKki5CU

Hang Em' High

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQhQQ42ApDk

Shane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld3ZfuN8AEA

...

Btw, the Alamo had quite a bit of Cantina/saloon music and (down home) songs, like The Green Leaves of Summer, Tennessee Babe, The Eyes of Texas are Upon You, and The Ballad of the Alamo, but it is good to read that you haven't given up on all Westerns. There are so many like...

Tribute to a Bad Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R_jI5W5Jw

Gunfight at OK Corall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8wuEDVfha0

-Rex

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2017 - 11:38 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

not like western scores? security to aisle 7 film score discussion.
the new server will shut all avenues of escape. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

To the OP, have you tried out the HTWWW suite on Silva's Greatest Western Themes Vol 1 comp?

I would recommend this too; I rarely listen to the original score; this suite is what I return to over and over; it is superb.

As for westerns, they are the center of my collection.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 2:41 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Different tastes and all that, but a lot of my favourite film music is for Western films. I don't necessarily think western scores are any different from any other type of film music, and some scores to me don't particularly sound like they were written for a western eg. Wyatt Earp, The Big Country, The Alamo to name but a few already mentioned, are just good dramatic sounding film scores.

Much as I love the score, do people class The Alamo as a western? I've never thought of it as one.

 
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