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 Posted:   Dec 2, 2017 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

In many people's minds STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE AND STAR TREK V THE FINAL FRONTIER are considered the worst of the TOS Feature Films. They do however contain probably the Best Scores written for the TOS Features.

I can remember working at the Century 21 Dome Theater in San Jose California selling advance tickets to STAR TREK TMP and the other films of that Christmas season 1979. All the employees of the Century Theater Chain in San Jose (There were 5 of them, Century 21 thru 25) got to see STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE at Midnight the night before it opened to the public. This was the projectionist's way of testing the prints before unleashing to the public and a great party atmosphere for the Century Theater employees. What fun! Also saw CAPRICORN ONE and ALIEN that way on their Theatrical Releases. We were all jazzed to see ST TMP, this most anticipated Movie. Oh how nice it was to hear Goldsmith's Ilia Overture and his exciting, stirring and triumphant Main Title. We all felt this was going to be awesome!!! And it was for first 30 some minutes. The opening Klingon Battle with Goldsmith's pulsating and engaging score was thrilling and Spock on Vulcan was cool and even the overlong fly around the Enterprise was so grand on that big screen. And then after the worm hole sequence, the film soon came to a screeching halt. The journey to and through V'ger was okay for about 3 minutes and then just became truly boring. For me Ilia's voice when taken over by V'ger was extremely irritating. Goldsmith's music in the V'ger sequence even became repetitive and droning to put one to sleep. I always thought The Motion Picture was such a missed opportunity for true greatness. What an ultimate let down. We should have got a 2 hour exciting film and we got about 1/4 of one. The script and story they told was not right for the return of Star Trek. The actors and director did the best they could with the sub par and unworthy material. WRATH OF KHAN should have been the story chosen for THE MOTION PICTURE.

I saw STAR TREK V THE FINAL FRONTIER on it's opening run at the El Capitan Theater in Hollywood in 1989. Much more entertaining than TMP for me and what a kick ass Goldsmith score, but still somewhat of a let down as a film. They seemed to still be in the "more comedy" and lighter mode as the previous STAR TREK IV THE VOYAGE HOME had started.

My favorites of all the TOS Features would be the Trilogy of WRATH, SEARCH and VOYAGE. At first didn't like Horner's new take on the Main Title Theme but did grow to really like it and WRATH'S score which he continued and enhanced on SEARCH FOR SPOCK. Wish he was able to complete the Trilogy with VOYAGE HOME. Rosenman's attempt didn't seem to fit at first, but then I grew to like it as well. I always kind of like the "Christmas" feel it had. Cliff Eidelman's much darker approach for UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY worked well for that film. I found the NEXT GEN Features not worthy of Big Screen releases and especially found GENERATIONS and INSURRECTION really lousy. INSURRECTION and NEMESIS benefited only by Goldsmith's scores. FIRST CONTACT probably the best of the Next Gen attempts had a great Goldsmith score.


What is your favorite Goldsmith Score for a TOS Feature (not his Next Gen's)?

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2017 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is my unapologetic favorite of all the Trek films, and I also rank it as the finest of the Trek film scores -- all other composers and generations included. Furthermore, I've always had a huge affection for STAR TREK V, which I think is a flawed but nonetheless essential entry in the Trek canon -- I love the film it's trying so hard to be, and it's peppered with wonderful character moments that carry through the various stumbles and gaffes. Combine them with the utterly magnificent Jerry Goldsmith scores, and these are actually the two of the original six films that I am most likely to revisit!

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2017 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Me, I find both films pretty much unwatchable. I've tried. Oh how I've tried.

But the score for the first film is one of the greatest of all time.* I never tire of it. That's really saying something.

Aside from "A Busy Man," the score for the fifth film doesn't do much for me.

*This is a statement of opinion, as music greatness cannot be objectively quantified.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2017 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   rcashill   (Member)

I lived in San Jose from 91-93 and spent lots of time at the Century Domes. Are they still there? The Camera Cinemas? (There was another art/rep house there, in the vicinity of downtown but a single screen, also Camera?) Good times.

Great scores, too. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2017 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I lived in San Jose from 91-93 and spent lots of time at the Century Domes. Are they still there? The Camera Cinemas? (There was another art/rep house there, in the vicinity of downtown but a single screen, also Camera?) Good times.

Great scores, too. smile


Century 21, the first built in the 60's, and where I saw 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY first run in 1968 when I was 10 years old, still stands as do Century 22 (one big dome with 2 smaller domes attached) and Century 23. They however have been empty and out of business since 2012. Century 25 located at the West Gate Mall was demolished in 2012 as was Century 24. I started working at Century 23 in 1977 and later moved to Century 21 and Century 22 until 1980. Great fun and I got a lot classic One Sheet Original Movie Posters compliments of some great managers. I remember the first two movies playing at Century 23 when I started were OH GOD! with George Burns and John Denver and SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT. Other movies we got were the awesome CAPRICORN ONE, JULIA, THE GREEK TYCOON, ANIMAL HOUSE, MEATBALLS, BLOODLINE and many more I'm trying to recall. The last film I saw in that Theater was WAR HORSE in 2011.

Other memories of the Century Theaters include seeing first run THE GODFATHER, STAR WARS, DOG DAY AFTERNOON, 1941, APOCALYPSE NOW, THE SWARM, DAMIEN OMEN II, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, THE KARATE KID MOVIES, E.T., POLTERGEIST, all THE LORD OF THE RINGS movies and more. I vividly remember when seeing 2001 in 1968 Huge Standee Displays of ICE STATION ZEBRA and THE SHOES OF THE FISHERMAN. Thought they looked so cool.

It seems CENTURY 21 has been deemed a Historic Landmark and is protected from being torn down. It's still undetermined what they will do with it. They probably will demolish Century 22 and 23 as the across the street Shopping Complex called SANTANA ROW has purchased the land they occupy.

The CAMERA CINEMAS expanded to 12 Theaters located in downtown San Jose and the CAMERA 7 at the Pruneyard in Campbell is now under renovations to expand and re-open in the near future.

Good old Century 21:



Their first movie, IT'S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD in CINERAMA!:



The Century 22 Complex (3 Domes) Where STAR WARS played First Run in 1977:



The Century Theaters in their Hay Day:



 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

When I was a kid, Star Trek and James Bond were my two favourite things and I consumed whatever I could to super nerd extent—books, photo-novels. trivia books, tech manuals, etc.

Even today, not a week goes by when I don't watch an episode of STAR TREK (The Original Series).

So is it shocking if I say that STAR TREK—THE MOTION PICTURE is not only my second favourite TREK film, but one of only the only two I consider to be great movies? I rarely watch the rest. (STAR TREK II—THE WRATH OF KHAN is the other in that two.)

And often wish they'd let the original crew story arc finish with the death of Spock in II rather than keep dragging it out. Again. And again. And again.

Yes, I know STAR TREK—THE MOTION PICTURE is not very popular, but it bugs me when people tell me it's the worst TREK film.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:28 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

As to the music, my one wish — a vain and futile wish now — is that Goldsmith had not re-visited his STAR TREK—THE MOTION PICTURE themes for STAR TREK V.

Why?

For one, it seems thematically inconsistent the way those themes come and go and then got confused with STAR TREK—THE NEXT GENERATION.

Bot more importantly, in STAR TREK—THE MOTION PICTURE, those Enterprise and Klingon themes seem stately and serious. In STAR TREK V, they're played like the two opposing motifs in a Tom and Jerry chase. That stateliness and seriousness got lost.

In short, I adore the score for STAR TREK—THE MOTION PICTURE, l like STAR TREK V except for when it's trivialising those grand themes. At that point, I want to let out a Darth Vader, Revenge of the Sith, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

It's not the "WORST" (V and Insurrection have that title locked up), but TMP is without a doubt the most sloppily made (due to executive meddling and Roddenberry having too much oversight) and badly written (no doubt the result of stretching what was originally a 1-hour tv script to 2+) of the lot.

Music's great though.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

(no doubt the result of stretching what was originally a 1-hour tv script to 2+)

So that's the reason! I always wondered. I mean, this movie went on and on and nothing happened. Or rather, something happened (Klingons) and then nothing happened...and nothing happened...and then something happened (man mated with a machine). It was like someone just wrote the start and finish and forgot the middle, so they all stood around talking till they found Vger (and that was nothing much). You've solved a mystery for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I never understood the hate directed at Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's flawed, but not the total disaster people try to pass it off as. Love the score, BTW.

Star Trek V, on the other hand, I did not like on first viewing, but I've grown to like it somewhat over the years. Another great score too. cool

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

TMP is not one of the worst. Nor do I think that 'sloppily made" is fair. The technical and craft elements on TMP are top notch, these were people at the top of all the crafts from set construction to camera, and of course Robert Wise was a legendary talent. The script was not complete when they started filming and it continued to be rewritten, that did cause some problems. Nonetheless TMP remains a substantial and solid film, and a truly cinematic experience that none of the other films ever achieved for me. Of course the score remains legendary as it should.

V is a mess, but one I always found oddly endearing, being the closest in spirit to the TOS. Even when I try to hate it, and I watch it again, I find that it is pretty effective and charming in parts, even as I turn away in a few parts as well. It has a lot of heart to it. It has been a while since I watched or listened to it, then last week I put the score in the car, and I was astonished, again, at the excellence of Goldsmith's massive achievement, so joyous, interesting and gigantic. What a stupendous score V is.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

ST:TMP is really my favorite TOS Trek movie and it is the most faithful to the original series. Yes, it has flaws but I like it more now than ever. It's score is off-the-charts-fantastic.

Trek V is pretty bad. In fact if you cut everything out except the two scenes with Kirk, Spock & McCoy at the campfire I'd be fine with that. It took a while for its score to grow on me, but I enjoy it very much these days.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is my unapologetic favorite of all the Trek films, and I also rank it as the finest of the Trek film scores -- all other composers and generations included. Furthermore, I've always had a huge affection for STAR TREK V, which I think is a flawed but nonetheless essential entry in the Trek canon -- I love the film it's trying so hard to be, and it's peppered with wonderful character moments that carry through the various stumbles and gaffes. Combine them with the utterly magnificent Jerry Goldsmith scores, and these are actually the two of the original six films that I am most likely to revisit!

Perfectly sums it up for me! Nuff said.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


But the score for the first film is one of the greatest of all time. I never tire of it. That's really saying something.


Without question in my top ten favorite scores of all time. It's a masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

But the score for the first film is one of the greatest of all time. I never tire of it. That's really saying something.

Without question in my top ten favorite scores of all time. It's a masterpiece.


It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim something is the "greatest" anything. It's usually just their personal taste rather than some objective fact, even if the the topic is "best scores."
I strongly dislike the score (the cliche main theme ruins Next Gen credits for me) but you dont see me saying it was the worst score ever, however tempted. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim something is the "greatest" anything. It's usually just their personal taste rather than some objective fact, even if the the topic is "best scores."
I strongly dislike the score (the cliche main theme ruins Next Gen credits for me) but you dont see me saying it was the worst score ever, however tempted. wink


I have fixed my initial post to reflect the blindingly obvious fact that opinions are opinions. I deeply regret any confusion I may have caused.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

As you've probably noticed but were too polite to say, I'm easily confused. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

But the score for the first film is one of the greatest of all time. I never tire of it. That's really saying something.

Without question in my top ten favorite scores of all time. It's a masterpiece.


It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim something is the "greatest" anything. It's usually just their personal taste rather than some objective fact, even if the the topic is "best scores."
I strongly dislike the score (the cliche main theme ruins Next Gen credits for me) but you dont see me saying it was the worst score ever, however tempted. wink


Yeah it's subjective, but only to a certain point. There are degrees of quality inherited in any product. Regardless if you like it or not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

But the score for the first film is one of the greatest of all time. I never tire of it. That's really saying something.

Without question in my top ten favorite scores of all time. It's a masterpiece.


It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim something is the "greatest" anything. It's usually just their personal taste rather than some objective fact, even if the the topic is "best scores."
I strongly dislike the score (the cliche main theme ruins Next Gen credits for me) but you dont see me saying it was the worst score ever, however tempted. wink


It's (not) a shame that Dan Hobgood isn't around to tell us all that film scores can be objectively analyzed, and that there is, objectively, a right and wrong way to score a movie.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is my unapologetic favorite of all the Trek films, and I also rank it as the finest of the Trek film scores -- all other composers and generations included. Furthermore, I've always had a huge affection for STAR TREK V, which I think is a flawed but nonetheless essential entry in the Trek canon -- I love the film it's trying so hard to be, and it's peppered with wonderful character moments that carry through the various stumbles and gaffes. Combine them with the utterly magnificent Jerry Goldsmith scores, and these are actually the two of the original six films that I am most likely to revisit!

Perfectly sums it up for me! Nuff said.


Me too.

 
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