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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Help with How the West Was Won    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2       Last Post   Posted:   Nov 12, 2017 - 12:36 PM     By:   Morricone   (Member) I imagine I'll give the songs a try. If I don't like them it's not a big deal; seems to me How the West is Won is one heck of a lot more score than songs I have been having a really great time both analyzing and appreciating maestro Newman's approach to string writing. I found the Greatest Story to have some super cool woodwind ensembles, too (I got the Ryko last week). His is a very decompressed style overall I think (keeping in mind the Robe as well). Instead of working from germ motifs, like Bernard used to do (more often than not, bless 'im!), he really puts the main themes through some fascinating transformations. He liked having loooong melodies and messing around with the resolution of phrases. I had to patiently concentrate through some sections...this doesn't happen often when I'm listening to most film composers. Newman had mastered both the immediate effect of great film music, plus explored a path that seems very original. His music is full of idiosyncrasies which delineate just how expressive a composer he truly was imo. I could be wrong. You are correct. I once asked David Newman why he didn't do more, or even an evening, of his father's work in concert. He said he had intended to but he soon realized the way his father arrived at his sound was through being head of Fox music and forming a group that could play uniquely (particularly strings) and honing them into his own repertory orchestra. He concluded that it would take years to recreate and abandoned the idea. If you compare any rerecording of Alfred's work to the original you can hear what he means.    Posted:   Nov 12, 2017 - 2:45 PM     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member) I noticed on TRADING POST that Riotengine is selling the excellent Sony version on EBAY!!!! check it out! B PS THE songs suck; BIG TIME!!!!!!    Posted:   Nov 12, 2017 - 10:03 PM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) I think the Newman sound COULD be reproduced if really detailed attention was given and rehearsal time. Plus some clever playback decisions in 'archaeological' sound-mixing. For example, Leigh Phillips, in his recent Overture from 'Ben-Hur' by Rozsa, added staccatos and rests in the Judaea theme, because he wanted to create a quick notated instruction to the players, as Rozsa would have vocally, or by rubato perhaps, in order to save time. If the scores could be listened to and NOTATED to reproduce what's on the soundtracks, say a stress on one chord, a tie on two others, a doubling of some shy woodwind, more detailed crescendo/diminu signs, BAR BY BAR, alongside the conductor's instruction, it could happen with rehearsal time. Done badly, this could sound mechanical, but with a few run-throughs it could work. The score sheets (where they even exist!) are not sacrosanct, because they can be altered to reproduce what was unwritten but vocalised by Newman on the day. It isn't impossible, but hard, expensive work.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 3:32 AM     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member) I noticed on TRADING POST that Riotengine is selling the excellent Sony version on EBAY!!!! check it out! B PS THE songs suck; BIG TIME!!!!!! LOL, I get it I get it! I'll be expecting the worse in regard to the songs...but probably on my way to picking a copy of the 2 disc up. I listened to The Egyptian again last night. Though it's not too hard to figure out between Bernard and Alfred's contributions, it's a real winner for me. I have the La La Land, thanks so much for the reccomendations folks. With Greatest Story, I had to listen to it a few times to appreciate it properly....such attentive diligence has proved more than rewarding, each time.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 8:50 AM     By:   John McMasters   (Member) The Rhino. I love the songs and can't listen to the score without the songs. I've tried the various suites, etc., without the songs. The songs are, for me at least, integral to my experience of the score.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 9:32 AM     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member) The songs are indeed part of the fabric of this massive score, in which several other hands assisted Newman. (The Debbie Reynolds character is a songstress.) I think the resentment many of us feel stems from the original LP version, which sacrificed so much great Newman material (including much of the prelude!) to make way for three of Debbie's songs. Then again, whose name do you think was going to sell more records in 1963?    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 9:53 AM     By:   eriknelson   (Member) My advice is to watch this excellent film and hear Newman's score in context. I can understand that the traditional American folk songs etc. may not be a pleasurable listen for those unfamiliar with the film. But they have power when heard with the film on screen. Personally I find the songs to be an integral part of the score that brings back memories.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 12:36 PM     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member) Does anyone own the 2 disc version from Soundtrack Factory?    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 1:10 PM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) Does anyone own the 2 disc version from Soundtrack Factory? WA, I'll have to check, but I think that Soundtrack Factory is another bootleg label. Based in Andorra I believe. Avoid until further notice. Anyone confirm my suspicions? EDITED - Just checked. Yeah, avoid Soundtrack Factory releases, WA. It takes advantage of some kind of legal loophole in European law, so manage to get away with just copying discs, unlicensed, from other companies who have done all the work and paid their dues. They're cheaper than the real thing but nobody should be supporting them. I wouldn't be surprised if their release of HTWWW is just an exact copy of the Rhino. And of course Rhino doesn't receive anything from purchases of their own CDs released on a bootleg label.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 2:17 PM     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member) Does anyone own the 2 disc version from Soundtrack Factory? WA, I'll have to check, but I think that Soundtrack Factory is another bootleg label. Based in Andorra I believe. Avoid until further notice. Anyone confirm my suspicions? EDITED - Just checked. Yeah, avoid Soundtrack Factory releases, WA. It takes advantage of some kind of legal loophole in European law, so manage to get away with just copying discs, unlicensed, from other companies who have done all the work and paid their dues. They're cheaper than the real thing but nobody should be supporting them. I wouldn't be surprised if their release of HTWWW is just an exact copy of the Rhino. And of course Rhino doesn't receive anything from purchases of their own CDs released on a bootleg label. Thanks Graham. Yeah, I guess I'll have to wait to grab the two disc. I'm still smarting from the Tsunami purchase, but a friend told me their "Song of Bernadette" isn't anywhere near as bad as some of their other "releases". I so wish I'd waited on that.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 3:30 PM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) I'm thinking that, although discussion of bootlegs is forbidden in this forum, I imagine that it only applies if we're singing their virtues, or simply evaluating them as if they were legit releases. For that reason it might be worthwhile to make it known to genuine lovers of music, who may be comparatively new to film score collecting, of the labels to avoid. I mentioned a few other labels on the Alf Newman Appreciation thread, and I take it that it's OK to "warn" people about those things. Or perhaps "inform" is a better word. At the same time I don't want to sound as if I'm taking the moral high ground and telling them how (not) to spend their money. Hey Mr David Sones (Allardyce) - I'm going to do something really weird and report this very post, just in case you were unaware of it (and the mention of boots here in general, and on the Alf Appreciation thread). Are we OK on this?    Posted:   Nov 14, 2017 - 8:11 PM     By:   kb   (Member) Just a warning to those considering acquiring the USA version of the Sony(Columbia) CD of HTWWW: I bought a new copy in the early-mid 1990's here in the L.A. area(at an actual walk-in record store), and actually returned it as defective because the audio quality was bad. In an apparent effort to hide the noticeable presence of tape hiss on the original tracks, someone at Sony had applied a severe roll-off of the high frequencies to the entire recording. All high frequencies above about 7K were gone...not reduced, but gone! It sounded like listening to music with wads of cotton stuffed in one's ears. A true mastering disaster. Later, Rhino rereleased it with a different, probably digital noise-reduction scheme that while removing any sense of high fidelity from the sound, was at least listenable. I'd pay real money for a non-noise-reduced, straight transfer of that recording.    Posted:   Nov 15, 2017 - 1:08 AM     By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member) Is there a way to be certain that one has the re-released version, (which until this moment I'd never heard of nor remember being discussed in this Forum -- or am I having a senior moment)? Mine has always sounded fine to me...     General Discussion: Help with How the West Was Won    << < 1 2  >   Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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