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 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

As there was such moaning last time about programme discussion/music discussion i thougjt we could have a thread here on the series as series 8 starts tonight.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

It played here last night, so I'll wait until Bill chimes in with his thoughts before posting mine. Looks like in the UK, you see it a day after we do.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

SPOILER: A zombie bites someone.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Episode 1 - spoilers
the fight back has been too long coming.
The prep was good, the marking off the list idea.
But now the fightback has arrived it seems a bit feeble so far.
Hardly any saviours dead except lookouts.
And the dream/future all a bit annoying.

They were supposed to catch them by surprise but all they did was shoot up a load of windows and infest the stronghold courtyard with walkers.

Clearly it cant all happen in ep 1 but i wanted at least a saviours lieutenant dead.
And when you open fire with a machine gun on an open balcony of 5 targets, you would usualy hit at least 1 or 2.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

SPOILER: A zombie bites someone.

yeh but who?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I thought it was a good episode. It didn't seem like filler.

The concept of TIME is being played with, and we won't know how for a while. Obviously, there are shots of the future: Rick with gray beard and hair and an older daughter, flowers, an alarm clock. I think it will be a while before we understand these scenes.

I am a bit confused also about the attack on the Saviors. Somehow I sensed from Rick that all the villains would be wiped out in a day by a coordinated effort. Maybe it will take more time or maybe next week's episode will take place on the same day. I got the impression that the strike against the saviors was just a hit and then run strike not meant to wipe them out but just to surround them with zombies. There were other groups out there taking various actions that we haven't seen yet and that all these actions will or may take place in a 24 hour period. I could be wrong.

I thought we'd see over the season the wiping out of the Garbage Junk people. Also I think the Amazon women will be pulled into Rick's group. Was this done before Rick's hit and run attack on Negan? Will we see those actions in flashbacks? Not sure.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yeah joanie cant add to that. Good analysis. I think the next few episodes could well be real time as "tomorrow" unfolds.
I do hope they have more "plans" up their sleeve than killing guards and shooting windows.
It make sense that they would herd walkers up their arse but i didnt see any saviours shooting them or being eaten.

I guess it feels like after all this time i want Rick n co to have a real win episode.
And with gabriel captured and no saviours dead, it felt like Negan still had a 1-1 draw!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

The usual crap:

Multiple opportunities to off the guy who's made life a living hell for many people (and killed SPOILER Glenn and Abraham /SPOILER, yeah right), and what happens?

They shoot over/around/beneath him — and his jerkwad helpers.

What a waste of time and resources. They used water (you have to drink it), gas (Arco's not open, right?), and bullets up the wazoo.

And that was about it. A show of force and what's different at the end? A bunch of idiots patting each on the back. "Yeah, that was good! Did you see that?"

(Rick's speech at the beginning stunk, too.)

So what's different at the end? This: Gabriel cowering in a dark space with Negan. Had the former forgotten he had an automatic weapon?

You also have everyone's favorite Vulcan female cosplayer Jadis, and her band of zombapoc goths, back at their digs. So let me guess: Negan's going to go over there and say "Hey, I have another battle for you to fight!" roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I am a bit confused also about the attack on the Saviors. Somehow I sensed from Rick that all the villains would be wiped out in a day by a coordinated effort. Maybe it will take more time or maybe next week's episode will take place on the same day.

It was just another copout.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I am not sure about it being a copout. I still sense that there is a 24 hour plan in place, but we are not privy yet to the whole plan.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2017 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

It's the same rinse-repeat cycle we've seen before. They don't off the baddie when the opportunity is ripe because then they'd feel obligated to replace him sooner than later because they're afraid to show people foraging for supplies and dodging herds.

It should be more like the book/film The Road, with roving packs of marauders and small groups holed up. (Really, no cannibals? Yeah, right.) A guy like Negan controlling 100 square miles of anything isn't close to realistic. Simon, the other oh-so-obvious alpha, would try to kill Negan and take over. And so on.

IMO, the Terminus community was more interesting, yet that only lasted a handful of episodes. Negan's appeal has already worn out its welcome.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

After the new episode this week, I'm on the brink of walking away from this series!
It's been labouring for a while for me now, but this ep was near rock bottom.
Yeah, the chance to kill Negan was both obvious and infuriating..much like Karl in the last series, who pledged he was killing Negan, managed to infiltrate his camp in the back of a van, had a clear and clean shot at him...and did nowt).
I find myself huffing/groaning/rolling eyes more than the walkers each week (and what a joke THEY have become).
I don't even LIKE any of the main characters anymore. I've grown tired and bored of them.
So Negan's vast army and network has been reduced to near rubble in a few episodes, after looking all powerful and unbeatable mere episodes ago!
Also, why did ALL the walkers just shamble past the priest when he was cut adrift and cowering (and don't get me started on his avoidance of them in his run to the safe place(?) at the end of the ep).
Pah!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I recorded it, but haven't got around to watching it yet, I also recorded The Talking Dead, which from what I've seen of it looks to be more entertaining than the actual show. To me, the story of the show is that they get bogged down: they stayed at the farmhouse too long, at the prison too long, the Negan thing has been going on too long. I think the first series is still the best one, great narrative drive, the thing drives forward to the explosion at the end, it makes a great stand alone show.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Rameau..that's what Darabont said!! wink

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Season 8's premiere is the lowest-rated on IMDb in the history of the show:

7.7/10.

That's a huge drop from Season 7's 9.0!

(And Season 7's finale is also its lowest-rated.)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think it's time for the group to move to a city, all those apartments & shops full of stuff, & of course probably millions of walkers, but the survivors are getting pretty good at dodging them now, & I'd think no other groups trying to eat or kill them. The series certainly needs a shot in the arm, but even if this is the last series, 8 seasons is not bad.

What's more far fetched than Zombies, is the state of the survivors health, they're just too damn healthy given what they're living on, & they all have Hollywood teeth despite eight season of hitting each other in the mouth...& no dentists!

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I don't remember their saying Season 8 is the last season.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I don't remember their saying Season 8 is the last season.

I hope for their sake it's not, but these shows live & die (then walk around) by the ratings.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

What's more far fetched than Zombies, is the state of the survivors health, they're just too damn healthy given what they're living on, & they all have Hollywood teeth despite eight season of hitting each other in the mouth...& no dentists!

The Hilltop people, like the Alexandrians, always look freshly showered. It's hilarious. Everyone should look like Daryl.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

So apart from the rinse-spin plot cycle, the low ratings, the inability to kill the villain, the prolonging of the plot, the shiny teeth, the scrubbed-up characters, the dull heroes, the boring zombies, ...what has the walking dead ever given us...!! wink

 
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