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 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Alex North is a composer whom I need to try to force myself to like more.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Okay, SPOILER ALERT. (Or maybe I should say, slightly more specific spoiler alert.) I don't know about the original novel, but in the climax of the play, Nancy Kelly's mom does not survive, but little Rhoda does. I have a hunch that Evelyn Varden's line, attempting to console the husband, "But you still have Rhoda!" brought the curtain down. (Next time you see the movie, you can freeze the frame after she says the line.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Alex North is a composer whom I need to try to force myself to like more.

I don't know, I don't think you have to force yourself. I think this scores just doesn't connect with as many people as his popular works. About fifteen minutes into the Youtube video of the score, I gave up and cut it off.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2017 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Too bad. It always connected with me, from first to last, and I'm very happy to be looking forward to La La's CD. (Judging by Onya's post, he doesn't even care for North's more "popular" scores.)

For what it's worth, (which I think is considerable), music from THE BAD SEED was included in that classy re-recorded compilation conducted by Eric Stern and released on Nonesuch.

http://www.nonesuch.com/artists/alex-north

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Is is possible, La La, than you can redo the RCA release of Norths The Rainmaker?
This badly needs an expanded release.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

(Judging by Onya's post, he doesn't even care for North's more "popular" scores.)

My post was mostly in jest. But what is interesting about North is that while his music tends to feature all the elements I like, I sometimes feel that it does not engage me as much as it should.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

To its credit, the film does preserve the cast's Broadway curtain call, a classic bit of showmanship.


According to a 20 May 1956 Los Angeles Times article, the epilogue was added to “remove some of the bad taste… left by this horrific shocker.”

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The absurd Warner Bros. climax was sheer folly, made even more so by the studio's publicity, implicitly touting the great new shocker ending as an improvement on the play, and claiming that the climax was kept secret from the actors.


Warner Bros. production notes for the film reported that three endings were shot. But according to a 6 November 1955 Los Angeles Times article, the end of the film was kept secret and the last five pages of the script were not distributed until ready to shoot.

Those two sources are contradictory. Why keep the ending secret from the actors if you are going to shoot three different ones? No one will actually know the ending until the film is shown. And if it's true that three endings were shot, what happened to the footage for other two?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"To its credit, the film does preserve the cast's Broadway curtain call, a classic bit of showmanship."


'According to a 20 May 1956 Los Angeles Times article, the epilogue was added to “remove some of the bad taste… left by this horrific shocker.” '

That's as may be, but the Broadway production originated the curtain call spanking, (perhaps for similar reasoning). From Frank Miller's TCM program notes:

Warner Bros. gave producer-director Mervyn LeRoy the chance to bring The Bad Seed to the screen. Initially, they objected to his plan to cast the play's leading players -- including Kelly, McCormack, Eileen Heckart and Henry Jones -- in place of established box-office names like Bette Davis, who had expressed an interest in the film's leading role. He also decided to stick closely to Anderson's original screenplay, working with cinematographer Harold Rosson to open the film up primarily by moving the camera around. The choice paid off by visually isolating and trapping Rhoda's mother as she discovered her little girl was a cold-hearted killer. LeRoy also decided to use a theatrical curtain call at the film's end. He recorded a voiceover introducing the film's cast and, as had been the case when the play was performed, followed the bows by having Kelly take McCormack over her knee for a good spanking. After the horror of the film's subject matter, this served to let '50s audiences off-the-hook, while adding to the film's word-of-mouth appeal.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"The absurd Warner Bros. climax was sheer folly, made even more so by the studio's publicity, implicitly touting the great new shocker ending as an improvement on the play, and claiming that the climax was kept secret from the actors."


"Warner Bros. production notes for the film reported that three endings were shot. But according to a 6 November 1955 Los Angeles Times article, the end of the film was kept secret and the last five pages of the script were not distributed until ready to shoot."

"Those two sources are contradictory. Why keep the ending secret from the actors if you are going to shoot three different ones? No one will actually know the ending until the film is shown. And if it's true that three endings were shot, what happened to the footage for other two?"

I don't think this is necessarily a "contradictory" Rashomon situation. Keeping the pages missing from the actors' s scripts may have been, at least in part, for purposes of ballyhoo. Especially since, as stated above, the secret was only a secret before the scenes were shot, after which the cat was out of the bag as far as the players were concerned. And the fact that the other two versions remain unseen by the public is not evidence that they never were shot.

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/67988/The-Bad-Seed/notes.html


 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2017 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The "Divine Retribution" ending was part of the attempt to satisfy the Production Code Administration, which had initially refused to sanction any adaption of the play. Section 12 of Special Regulations on Crime: "Pictures dealing with criminal activities in which minors participate shall not be approved . . . Furthermore we cannot envision any treatment of this story which would make it acceptable under the Code. . . . It would be difficult if not impossible to think up any punishment for an eight year old murderess that would adequately counteract the obnoxious influence of the story on susceptible children" This was quoted in the William Paul book cited above. The author goes on to say, "The film had to find some way to punish Rhoda sufficient enough to reassure nervous adults and to frighten any children who managed to evade the ban. . . . a bad end so spectacular that even the most dull-witted child would find no good in emulating Rhoda."

The distributor enjoined secrecy upon reviewers, but the request was not honored. "Reviewers not only revealed everything but generally derided what Hollywood had once again done to an award-winning play."

Billy Wilder was interested in the project at one point. One can scarcely imagine what he might have made of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Yes, John, a lot of that is covered in the TCM piece to which I just linked. I'm in your debt, (not for the first time in my life), for referencing that book by Mr. Paul, which I had never known about and which I now very much look forward to reading.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Two pieces are lifted from other North scores.
One - sleep my baby is originally used in Desiree and is on that cd.
Another (can't remember which one) was cut from Ill Cry Tomorrow

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Two pieces are lifted from other North scores.
Another (can't remember which one) was cut from Ill Cry Tomorrow


I think the beginning of the two cues "Confession" and "The Medal" on the BAD SEED album was cut from parts of track 12 ("String Chord/Real Hell" on the FSM CD) of I´LL CRY TOMORROW.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2017 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Wow.. Fabulous release La-La, Thanks very much, I do own the Tsunami, however this is the icing on the cake, wonderful.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2021 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Has anyone attempted integrating the bonus tracks into the album program, and if so, were you happy with the results?

 
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