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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

Why Zimmer cannot do high quality scores like he did back in the 80s and 90s is beyond me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Why Zimmer cannot do high quality scores like he did back in the 80s and 90s is beyond me.

This!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, because INCEPTION, INTERSTELLAR, RUSH, THE DA VINCI CODE, THE LAST SAMURAI etc. are such low quality scores.

*sigh*

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Yes, because INCEPTION, INTERSTELLAR, RUSH, THE DA VINCI CODE, THE LAST SAMURAI etc. are such low quality scores.

*sigh*

Certainly not low quality scores, but not scores that make the hairs stand on my back, like those 80s and 90s scores did.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

"You went Full Zimmer. You never go Full Zimmer."

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   jurassicmarc   (Member)

If art and music are subjective, how do you quantify this question? In whose opinion is it directed? Your opinion? My opinion? Popular opinion? Critical opinion? And are we quantifying in terms of CD sales? Digital sales? Box office results? Zimmer's paycheck amount?

Quantify in number of articles Hans Zimmer appears in, number of times he comes up in search results, number of times he is mentioned in hashtags.

Requiring more time would be the percentage of times his music appears in movie trailers, percentage of times ANY film score contains heavy taiko drumming and the same kind of ostinatos.

The point is that Remote Control Productions has a massive roster of composers that have learned the same techniques and sample libraries and are putting out Zimmer-produced music en masse. There is no composer who can compete with that right now because they are one against the large Remote Control infrastructure. And Hollywood, being risk averse, views this scenario as "safe" rather than "stagnation". Stagnation leads to mediocrity and isolated thinking, which is what we're all complaining about.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, because INCEPTION, INTERSTELLAR, RUSH, THE DA VINCI CODE, THE LAST SAMURAI etc. are such low quality scores.

*sigh*


I really can't get all the way through his scores anymore. Their boring if nothing else.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I really can't get all the way through his scores anymore. Their boring if nothing else.

Maybe it's not the music. Maybe it's the listener.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I really can't get all the way through his scores anymore. Their boring if nothing else.

Maybe it's not the music. Maybe it's the listener.


Oh look, LeHaHa with another personal attack.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

1. What's this magical "we", The Guardian?

2. From "James" on JWfan....
  • It is not that what is written is not true, but the author says he wrote the article after the public "outraged" created the hashtag #StopHansZimmer. This hashtag did not exist until the article was published.

    That smells like publicity.


    That is some sound logic there.

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     Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 3:29 PM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    I really can't get all the way through his scores anymore. Their boring if nothing else.

    That's fine. Personal preference. But to label all of Zimmer's scores in the last 17 years as "low quality" is just a silly, uninformed blanket statement.

     
     Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 3:31 PM   
     By:   Grecchus   (Member)

    That Ben-Hur line from Messala has really come home to roost - how does it go . . .

    How do you fight an idea? I'll tell you . . . with another idea.

     
     Posted:   Sep 25, 2017 - 5:00 AM   
     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

    I think Zimmer is one of the most accomplished, excellent film score writers today. His achievements precede and often supersede many of the negative (and even positive) comments here.

    However, I think he peaked at Man of Steel (and I don't mean just in the superhero genre). He has made other very good scores in this century (the Herrmann-esque Inception and consistently interesting Interstellar) but I don't hear anything matching, say, the Lion King since. Not even in the same ballpark imo.

    The synth has had too much integration into soundtrack scores, its use along with sample libraries are giving every action movie the same sound (of course, the oversaturation of those movies is simply reinforcing that). As much as I love (and use) synths, the autopilot thing (see Jackman's Civil War) is getting really old. The bizarre, widespread acclaim for the Wonder Woman score disillusioned me a lot toward other people's current regard of film scores, so please know that I am probably very biased and base your judgement of this and other posts accordingly.

    Silvestri gave the traditional orchestration thing a try with the original Captain America, but besides the quasi-fanfare there really wasn't much meat to what he did (I've noticed I mostly like him when he emulates Herrmann lol! Another disciple!).

    Movies in general today just don't seem to use the Wagner-influenced music-enhancing-film-and-expressing-what-couldn't-be-expressed-in-images thing anywhere near as much. Usually when we see scores today that do that, enhance-the-score thing it's written by the old masters, or extremely influenced disciple (the excellent-even-without-the-heavily-encompassing-Herrmann influence Elfman is an example).

    I remember buying Batman vs Superman in hopes of another monster score like Man of Steel and began to get disillusioned by how phoned in it sounded. But hey, even Master Rozsa showed less enthusiasm for the Ben Hur style in his later work. Hard to blame either.

    Nothing Zimmer has done since 2013 has interested me, and I was at one point a huge fan. I'm trying to get on board, but I just feel some inspiration was lost.

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

     
     Posted:   Sep 25, 2017 - 5:03 AM   
     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

    This is insane. These posts are replicating like bunnies.

     
     Posted:   Sep 25, 2017 - 5:03 AM   
     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

    sorry double post

     
     Posted:   Sep 25, 2017 - 5:04 AM   
     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

    Triple sorry.

     
     Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 5:48 PM   
     By:   davefg   (Member)

    We have reached peak Giacchino

     
     
     Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 9:58 PM   
     By:   Jay_Zario   (Member)

    We have reached peak Giacchino

    In terms of the composer taking jobs for the biggest projects in Hollywood, yes.
    That being said, Giacchino sound/musical philosophy isn't nearly as influential as Zimmer's.

     
     Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 11:55 PM   
     By:   LeHah   (Member)

    We have reached peak Giacchino

    You bumped a 5 year old thread with a post that has nothing to do with the topic?

    Yeesh.

     
     Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 1:20 AM   
     By:   davefg   (Member)

    We have reached peak Giacchino

    You bumped a 5 year old thread with a post that has nothing to do with the topic?

    Yeesh.


    That's a fair point, let me explain. There was a similar tread on Giacchino here, however try as I might I could not find it. Also, I should say that I am more of a Zimmer fan than a Giacchino one. I was thinking of the the big budget films this year, and quite a few have been scored by Giacchino, which for me is quite disappointing as there are many talented composers out there who deserve a shot, or a chance to get back into Hollywood (Arnold springs to mind).

     
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