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I've always zoned him out because of the utter nonsense that comes out of his mouth. I truly suspect he's delusional, and he believes what he says though there is no truth behind it.
Other than the "It was always intended that Greedo shoot off a shot, even though I filmed it with him not squeezing off a single shot" nonsense he always repeats, can you give any other examples?
(1) Star Wars was always meant to be a "kids" movie.
(2) I had 9 movies planned out from the very beginning.
(3) The entire Star Wars saga was always meant to be seen from the point of view of R2D2 and Theepio.
(4) Star Wars was always meant to be a soap opera.
Yeah, and...?
Four examples aren't enough? How many are you looking for specifically?
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I've always zoned him out because of the utter nonsense that comes out of his mouth. I truly suspect he's delusional, and he believes what he says though there is no truth behind it.
Other than the "It was always intended that Greedo shoot off a shot, even though I filmed it with him not squeezing off a single shot" nonsense he always repeats, can you give any other examples?
(1) Star Wars was always meant to be a "kids" movie.
(2) I had 9 movies planned out from the very beginning.
(3) The entire Star Wars saga was always meant to be seen from the point of view of R2D2 and Theepio.
(4) Star Wars was always meant to be a soap opera.
Yeah, and...?
Lucas certainly has some creative memory. I wouldn't want to rely on him as a witness.
On the other hand, so what? Memory is a funny thing, and pretty much everyone remembers things in a way that either makes them the hero or the villain. There have been plenty of times someone whom I have known a long time remembers shared events far differently than I do. Lucas's problem is that people wrote down a lot of things he said and did, and he probably would have caught a lot less flack if he borrowed a line from another of his creations: "I don't know I'm making this up as I go." I certainly don't see anything wrong with a tale evolving as it goes. Just because a story is completely planned out doesn't make it good.
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I've always zoned him out because of the utter nonsense that comes out of his mouth. I truly suspect he's delusional, and he believes what he says though there is no truth behind it.
Other than the "It was always intended that Greedo shoot off a shot, even though I filmed it with him not squeezing off a single shot" nonsense he always repeats, can you give any other examples?
(1) Star Wars was always meant to be a "kids" movie.
(2) I had 9 movies planned out from the very beginning.
(3) The entire Star Wars saga was always meant to be seen from the point of view of R2D2 and Theepio.
(4) Star Wars was always meant to be a soap opera.
Yeah, and...?
Do I read some sarcasm in your reply? If you know anything about the productions of Empire and Jedi you know he was making it up as he went along, and famously wrote himself into a zillion corners. All his declarations were in defense of legitimate criticisms leveled his way. Putting it kindly, he was full of hot air.
Four examples aren't enough? How many are you looking for specifically?
What I actually mean is, those aren't very good examples of anything:
(1) The evidence bears this out. Star Wars very much is a "kids" movie, or at least a family one. That it has some adult appeal doesn't negate this.
(2) I think this is possibly one of the major sticking points with this sort of claim. Obviously, it hinges upon just what's meant by "planned out"; I think a lot of observers over the years have taken his statements to mean he had detailed stories from the beginning in script form, detailing everything from the Trade Federation blocking Naboo and Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi being sent to resolve it, etc. etc. etc., right on up to whatever exactly happens in the Episode IX, with all major characters, locations, etc. named, all events described in exact order, etc., and obviously this isn't indeed the case. However, in all the statements I've seen him make over the years, he never claims to have laid everything out in this level of detail. He's described a more general plan - that after the original trilogy, he'd go back and do the first three, and they'd be about the fall of the Republic, the rise of the Empire, Anakin becoming Vader and betraying the Jedi, etc. - and that's very much the case. He's never made claims about every specific character or event or line of dialogue. He has said he has a notebook full of lore he's developed (which is known to be the case), but not that everything in was chiseled in granite, waiting only to be realized on film. He's been open about writing - and rewriting, and revising - these things as he goes.
He has acknowledged that the plans for VII-IX were more nebulous and not developed much beyond the general idea of having a sequel trilogy about the kids of the OT heroes and the rise of a new generation of Jedi, but that's still a plan consistent with most if not all of his statements on the matter (and it's what Disney is actually doing now, even though they're doing it differently from how he apparently wanted in the treatments he supplied).
(3) Again, I think it actually was. Certainly the original trilogy arguably is. I think this is one of those things he changed his mind on as time went on, and that's eminently reasonable; who hasn't ever had a change of plans about something, given enough decades? But even while the prequel trilogy had a lot less of them (or a lot less of Threepio, anyway), they're still present in all those movies. If they were indeed going to be the only two characters present in all nine episodes he did, that statement would still arguably hold true, at least at a macro level where one is looking at them across the entire saga, and not their involvement in individual episodes, just like how in The Hidden Fortress, his acknowledged model for this framing, the two peasants are sort of felt throughout the story even while not being in literally every single scene.
(4) You've got me here, in the sense that I'm not sure what you're talking about; off the top of my head I don't remember where he's used that exact term, though fans (and nonfans, for that matter) often have. Obviously he didn't create it as a daytime television drama. In the sense of it being about turmoil in this one family lineage? Again, supportable by evidence.
George has made lots of statements about Star Wars in the past that fans have interpreted in ways I don't think he meant for them to be, often taking figurative statements literally or vice versa, extrapolating things he didn't say from things he did, and so on. I'm sure that, being a human being, he has said things that weren't true at various times, but not to any notable degree, as far as I can tell. From what I've seen over the years, most things that people consider examples of his dishonesty come from him saying something, people interpreting it to mean one particular thing when he really meant something different or something less specific (or something he was planning or considering at that time, and then years later changed his mind about), and then accusing him of dishonesty when he later says or does something consistent with whatever he'd said years earlier, but not with whatever mental picture had formed in the heads of those readers, viewers or listeners in the intervening time.
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I dislike that he pretty much cited racism as the fact that no one was interested in the rubbish film he produced, Red Tails. Rather than the fact it's a poorly written film with cartoon CGI. He bleated about it with that dunderhead Oprah, who swallowed his guff hook, line and sinker.
Other than that, as well as total rubbish, he's had great ideas and done things I liked but I can't recall anything in the last 25 years.
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