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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   PatrickB   (Member)

I give the information because no one here, even Maleficio speaks about this new release : LE BESTIAIRE D'AMOUR/MONA published for the first time on CD by label Cine Musique.
Score re-recorded, not the genuine soundtrack, because of the lack of sound quality in the master tapes.

To buy the CD, two of our best sellers :
https://www.musicbox-records.com/en/cd-soundtracks/5159-le-bestiaire-d-amour-mona-l-etoile-sans-nom.html

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/34385/LE-BESTIAIRE-DAMOUR-MONA-IETOILE-SANS-NOM-500-EDITION/

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Yeah... another shitty synth recreation!
Maybe nobody speaks about it for a reason...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

But is Mona a re-recording or the original EP? Since the EP is 100+ Euro on ebay, I might as well buy the CD if it is the orignial EP transferred to CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

But is Mona a re-recording or the original EP? Since the EP is 100+ Euro on ebay, I might as well buy the CD if it is the orignial EP transferred to CD.

As I had already written two weeks ago, the really annoying thing is that the content of the 1966 MONA EP - which I have myself - has only been recreated through electronic sampling which is more or less a joke:

"What is even worse is that apparently Disques Cinémusique could not even afford to license the rights for the original Barclay EP master of the lovely MONA, L´ÉTOILE SANS NOM from 1966. If MONA had been from the early 60s, it would of course have been public domain now in Canada (as well as in Europe) and they could have ripped it quite easily from the EP in the same way they do it all the time now with records from that time, but with 1966 this is legally not possible anymore."

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110792&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=2&r=510

That the mastertapes of LE BESTIAIRE DE L´AMOUR don´t exist in the Delerue estate is just a wild guess by Clément Fontaine and nothing more.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for Cinémusique, BNP ripped most pre-64 French soundtrack LPs and EPs with a few exceptions and made them available as FLAC on QoBuz. In almost all case the sound quality is CD-like. I had made a thread for those downloads in 2014 that was largely ignored. The quality is better than most Cinémusique "digital" downloads so there's probably not so much from public domain that they can release anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

The collection´s name is not BNP, but BnF as it comes from the Bibliothèque Nationale de France (therefore the abbreviation: BnF). The Bibliothèque Nationale de France has made digitally available thousands of French records from 1900 till 1962 throughout the last few years. But nothing from 1963 onwards anymore:
https://www.youtube.com/user/CollectionBnF

So all French records from 1963 and 1964 can still be exploited for free by Disques Cinémusique in Canada and they are also not available via the BnF collection.

As Clément Fontaine writes on the DCM website:
"In 2015, the Canadian law regarding the protection right on music recordings was extended to 70 years, in accordance with the European rules. We remain free to use recordings produced before January 1st 1965, regardless of whether other labels have released them. After this date, an agreement with the recordings owners is necessary. "

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I give the information because no one here, even Maleficio speaks about this new release : LE BESTIAIRE D'AMOUR/MONA published for the first time on CD by label Cine Musique.
Score re-recorded, not the genuine soundtrack, because of the lack of sound quality in the master tapes.


It seems that you have misunderstood a few things. Disques Cinémusique hasn´t had any access to master tapes of this score. So how should they know at all that there is "a lack of sound quality in the master tapes"? They don´t even know if any master tapes exist or not!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2017 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

So all French records from 1963 and 1964 can still be exploited for free by Disques Cinémusique in Canada and they are also not available via the BnF collection."

I bought 30+ soundtrack EPs from BnF, so that's a fair addition to my collection compared to the price of buying each individual EPs. I thought that a few were from 1963 or 1964 but I may be wrong (and sometimes the date of release that I have may simply be wrong). In any case, there aren't that many 1963 or 1964 french EPs that I don't own so I don't have many hopes that Cinémusique will offer anything that I'm interested in anytime soon (my American LP soundtrack collection is less complete but I don't think there are that many unreleased from before 1964). I should also note that some of the Cinémusique rips I've downloaded in FLAC from 7digital were actually transcoded MP3, so someone is not being honest, either Cinémusique or 7digital.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2017 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

I simply couldn't resist this; Samples sound gorgeous and I don't have a problem with new recordings of film scores. There's an offer with $10 off when you buy two CDs and effectively free shipping, making them very affordable to customers in the UK, so I also picked up Lafond's Maurice Jarre CD.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2017 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

there is two things that can hardly be more different:

1) new recordings
2) new recordings using low quality samples

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2017 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   PatrickB   (Member)


It seems that you have misunderstood a few things. Disques Cinémusique hasn´t had any access to master tapes of this score. So how should they know at all that there is "a lack of sound quality in the master tapes"? They don´t even know if any master tapes exist or not!


Yes, Cinemusique wrote in its website that the score from Le bestiaire d'amour "have never been released on record, presumably because of the lack of quality master tapes" .
Anyway, the result is that it wasn't available, maybe because the label didn't wish to contact Colette Delerue.

I agree with you about Mona : synthetic sounds never replace the genuine rendition. But "Le bestiaire d'amour" sounds very good, and it is a rare stuff, unreleased so far.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2017 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)


Yes, Cinemusique wrote in its website that the score from Le bestiaire d'amour "have never been released on record, presumably because of the lack of quality master tapes" .
Anyway, the result is that it wasn't available, maybe because the label didn't wish to contact Colette Delerue.


As far as I know, Colette Delerue doesn´t collaborate at all with Disques Cinémusique. Even about 15 years ago there were some problems when Clément Fontaine asked her for such a colalboration and she refused it.
So it still may be - who knows? - that Mrs. Delerue has original tapes of LE BESTIAIRE DE L ´AMOUR, but she certainly doesn´t want to give them to Disques Cinémusique. Music Box would be the label which could release the original recording in collaboration with her if those recordings exist.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2017 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

Like anyone, I would prefer original tracks, but in any case I appreciate the meticulous effort Lafond puts into these recreations (and no one else is bothering to do it!).

I should have said the special offer is only on until Sept 20th directly from www.disquescinemusique.com

The two discs I bought cost just £12.50 each including delivery to the UK

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2017 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

This arrived yesterday, thanks to mega fast delivery to the UK from Disques Cinemusique. Two beautiful scores, crystal clear recording and effectively reconstructed with the sound of the composer. I couldn't give this up - waiting for a release of the original tapes that may never happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2017 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

This arrived yesterday, thanks to mega fast delivery to the UK from Disques Cinemusique. Two beautiful scores, crystal clear recording and effectively reconstructed with the sound of the composer. I couldn't give this up - waiting for a release of the original tapes that may never happen.

But the EP of Mona exists! I will wait for that...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2017 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

But the EP of Mona exists! I will wait for that...

And the MONA muisic exists in the French Sidomusic catalogue:
http://www.sidomusic.com/en/musiques_films.php?alpha=m

It is strange that throughout all these years Stéphane Lerouge - who has always closely collaborated with Sidomusic- has still not released the score as part of one of the Delerue editions of Universal Music France.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2017 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

Here is an English translation of the track titles . Usually the Disques Cinemusique releases have bilingual notes and track titles . This one did not for some reason. (The notes are in English and French, just the track titles are French only.)
Feel free to make any corrections or offer suggestions as you see fit. My French is not that good.


Georges Delerue: The Love Bestiary (40:14)
(Le Bestiare D'Amour) -1965 (30:36)

1. Main Title (Générique) 1:22
2. Ecstasy (Extase) 1:44
3. The Company of Termites (La société des termites) 2:00
4. The Hermaphrodites (Les hermaphrodites) 1:01
5. Games of Tritons (Jeux de tritons) 1:29
6. The Birth of Desire (La naissance du désir) 1:30
7. The Reign of Insects (Le règne des insectes) 1:31
8. Love Bestiary (Bestiaire d'amour) 1:52
9. The Camargue Spiders (Les araignées de Camargue) 1:05
10. Bridal Dance of the Butterflies (Danse nuptiale des papillons) 2:52
11. The Parade of Seahorses (La parade des hippocampes) 1:23
12. Proud as a Peacock (Fier comme un paon) 1:45
13. The Courtship of Birds (La cour des oiseaux) 2:11
14. The Forced Love of the Crab (L'amour forcé du crabe) 1:45
15. Frog Embrace (Étreintes de grenouilles) 1:41
16. The Flirtation of the Octopuses (Le marivaudage des poulpes) 1:39
17. Fish of Indochina (Poissons d’Indochine) 2:09
18. The Love Bestiary II (Bestiaire d'amour II) 1:15

Mona, The Star Without a Name
(Mona, L’Etoile Sans Nom) - 1966 (9:38)

19. Suite I 4:57
(Main Title/ The Kiss/ Crossing the City)
(Générique/Le baiser/La traversée de la ville)
20. Suite II 4:40
(The Waltz of the Star/ The Farewells/ End Title)
(La valse de l'étoile/Les adieux/Générique fin)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2017 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   couvee   (Member)

I’m also not a native French speaker but I would translate two titles like this;

3 La société des termites = The termite society
13 La cour des oiseaux = The courtyard of birds

I agree with some posters above that this is an absolute delightful release. I have one original Mona-cue on an old Barclay vinyl ‘Les plus belles musiques de films de Georges Delerue Volume 2’ (just titled ‘Mona’ 1:31, so it’s probably the Générique début, the same track also appears on a Nouvelle Vague compilation-CD on the Hortensia label), but I think this new release sounds really good. I’m not a huge collector of Delerue but couldn’t resist picking this up. I actually would prefer a well performed re-recording to a bad sounding original. But since this ‘Bestiare’ never surfaced in any form I guess this recording is quite welcome. Especially since it’s such delightful music.

What’s nice with Disques Cinémusique is that they ship for free worldwide. So I ended up paying just 18 euro for this CD and they send it all the way to Europe for free. I wish all sellers would be so generous :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2017 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

The bad news is that this release has made it more difficult for me to find "Mona". When I search for the music from Mona I get many results for this CD frown So if anyone knows where to find the original music of Mona on 7", please let me know.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2017 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

So if anyone knows where to find the original music of Mona on 7", please let me know.

You can get it here:
https://www.cdandlp.com/georges-delerue/mona-une-etoile-sans-nom/45t-ep-4-titres/r116944001/

 
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