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Jul 23, 2017 - 6:49 PM
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Tom Servo
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For me, the movie rocks for the first 18 minutes and 8 seconds with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov and then after the big Kirk event and we transition to the TNG Crew on the sailing ship, it just goes to shit.
Sorry. Those are my real feelings. I have watched it over and over again wanting to like it more and like the TNG crew and their story more, but I just can't. For me the TNG crew were never meant for the big screen and could never fill it with the spectacle and joy that the TOS cast brought to the feature films.
Kirk and Picard fry eggs together and then go horseback riding. Give me a break.
I love however listening to the DVD commentary with Braga and Moore basically admitting what a mess it is. Okay, I'll be in the Nexus, shampooing my hair with Nexus.
Please share your thoughts.
The above. Yep.
I've never ever cared for TNG really. They just didn't have the personality or chemistry of the original crew. It may be more to do with the material they were given - um, an android named Data - really?? Of course the TV series was successful... but ask anyone on the street who Kirk and Spock are, most folks will know it's Star Trek even if they never watched the show. But ask folks who Picard and Geordie are, you'd probably draw a blank from more than half.
I enjoyed First Contact, but otherwise found the other TNG movies to be awful.
Well, TNG happens to be my favorite Trek series, alongside DS9, so I am certainly partial to that crew and their adventures. In terms of recognition by the general public, I'm not sure where you live, but in the last 30 years I've lived in various places in the US including cities in North Carolina, ten years in Chicago and now ten years in Los Angeles and anyone I talk with seems to know first that TNG exists and secondly, even if they've never seen it, they are aware of Patrick Stewart's role as Picard. I think you might be too quickly dismissing the prevalence of TNG in pop culture since its inception in '87, helped along now by the fact that it runs all the time on BBC America and is available on Netflix. It's the Trek series that many people grew up with, it's the Trek they know best.
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Jul 23, 2017 - 6:59 PM
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Ado
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yeah @Tom.
my friends and I adored TNG, it was the intellectual philosophical show, and when people criticized it for being talky, that was a lot of what I liked about it. Few are far between would you see characters explore right and wrongs, the appearance of right, and duty, working really against pure good. Characters exploring honor, dedication to science and exploration, sometimes at the cost of their own lives etc. What politics and faith are. TNG remains a fantastic show, I know there were some rough patches, but overall, a truly brilliant show.
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Jul 23, 2017 - 8:04 PM
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Solium
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I guess it's easy to say it's a generational thing. I grew up on TOS, that's ST to me. But I can understand how someone who grew up on NG owns it as their Star Trek. And obviously a lot do! But as an old timer I always had issues with it.
For me it offered almost nothing new. TOS gave us Warp Drive, Phasers, Tracker Beams, Transporters, Tricorders, the list goes on and on. NG gave us a 3D Holodeck. Roddenberry and his writers weren't as forward thinking with the "science", and it just seemed like a reboot of TOS. And lets face it I think it is. It's the Star Trek he wanted to make in the 60's.
I also found the writing more juvenile. Geordie acting like a 13 year old around girls he liked. A therapist on board who deals with everyone's "first world problems". (very 80's!) The crew got along to well, and it felt like Barney and Friends. Wasn't fond of the actors either, or at least their characters.
Well, that's just a start but you get the idea!
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Jul 24, 2017 - 12:06 AM
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jenkwombat
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I pretty much agree with you, Solium.
The Next Generation was, for me, dull as dishwater, both in look and pacing. And I really, really tried to get into that show, but just couldn't, no matter how many episodes I gave a chance. 
Conversely, in spite of its rubbery-looking costumes, overly-thick matte lines and "Spock's Brain"-type episodes, The Original Series was always FUN! 
ADDED: Regarding the film GENERATIONS -- I thought it could have been better, but I liked it okay in parts. (It's my second-favorite of the NG films, after FIRST CONTACT.) Killing off Kirk in such a lame, anti-climactic way was really pointless, though.
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