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 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

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I will check out that Xander episode! smile

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I just like the atmosphere he created. Nothing showy just there I suppose haha

I love season one just about every ep except maybe "How to Kill a Boy on the first date". I have a lot of nostalgia for that season.


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Yeah! Nostalgia is often very important for me to. Also when it comes to score.
If there`s a specific scene/moment that I really love and watch over and over then I love having the score from that scene as well, even if it`s a cue I usually wouldn`t enjoy so much if it hadn't meant anything to me smile

Here's hoping for some new next week! big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   ZerOne   (Member)



Here's hoping for some new next week! big grin


I am sure, they'll put out information once they know which date they will be able to meet, Jan 30th or Feb 13th. It's getting suspenseful, huh?

I enjoy S1. It's a fun season, though with not quite as much depth as in the later run. It's kind of nice rewatching it and seeing where the characters started. Everybody changed so immensely throughout the run of the show, with the exception of maybe Xander who didn't really change at all. That being said, I still don't remember any cues that I would actually listen to from that season. But it's cool that there is at least one person who is a bigger fan of Murphy's work.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

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REALLY suspenseful!! We are so close now! Even if the date is Feb 13. Time goes fast (luckily in some cases razz ).


Yeah it's great to see a Murphy/season 1 fan!
Who knows, maybe the cues from season 1 will sound better on it's own without dialog etc.
I'm sure LLL (or whoever produces/master the cues for release) will make them sound listenable smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I've liked Murphy's work on other things, but agree his Buffy work is among the least distinguished of his output. Thankfully the show took a major turn for the better and so did the music!

I do still really enjoy Season 1; the dialogue and characters are still delightful. It's just that the villains (and most episode plots) were mediocre, but maybe that was intentional B-movie homaging or something. It grew into something much better during season 2.

How I would do this set:

Disc 1:
15-20 minutes of Carter Burwell's film score
15-20 minutes of highlights from Walter Murphy's first season scoring (honestly all it needs)
40-50 minutes of the best cues from the second season by Adam Fields, and Clement & Murray

Disc 2: all the best unreleased highlights from Christophe Beck (I know, he needs two more discs)

Disc 3: all the best highlights from Thomas Wanker's work on the fifth and sixth seasons (also difficult to fit on one disc, I promise)

Disc 4: all the best highlights from the seventh season, 10-12 minutes of Douglas Romayne and 65-70 minutes of Robert Duncan

This plan would ensure all composers get decent representation, which we know LLL likes to do based on their Trek and other TV score sets.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Twelve more days. If the announcement happens on the 30th. So, I'm guessing we'll get more info' (possibly a tracklisting?) a week before, so that's one week to go for new information.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Gomephrus   (Member)

I have some vague memories of fun music in the Xander becomes a hyena episode of season one...

Yavar


That ep is where I discovered one of my favourite bands Far. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The Hyena episodes was one of only two scores by Murphy I mentioned should be on the set.

The other is the rejected score for the season two premiere (since we've not heard it). Assuming the information about having done one, isn't incorrect.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

I've liked Murphy's work on other things, but agree his Buffy work is among the least distinguished of his output. Thankfully the show took a major turn for the better and so did the music!

I do still really enjoy Season 1; the dialogue and characters are still delightful. It's just that the villains (and most episode plots) were mediocre, but maybe that was intentional B-movie homaging or something. It grew into something much better during season 2.

How I would do this set:

Disc 1:
15-20 minutes of Carter Burwell's film score
15-20 minutes of highlights from Walter Murphy's first season scoring (honestly all it needs)
40-50 minutes of the best cues from the second season by Adam Fields, and Clement & Murray

Disc 2: all the best unreleased highlights from Christophe Beck (I know, he needs two more discs)

Disc 3: all the best highlights from Thomas Wanker's work on the fifth and sixth seasons (also difficult to fit on one disc, I promise)

Disc 4: all the best highlights from the seventh season, 10-12 minutes of Douglas Romayne and 65-70 minutes of Robert Duncan

This plan would ensure all composers get decent representation, which we know LLL likes to do based on their Trek and other TV score sets.

Yavar


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This sounds very fair!

BUT...what I would love is:

Disc 1: Movie score, Murphy, Clement/Murray (I cant think of ONE cue from them, tbh...), Fields

Disc 2: Christophe Beck

Disc 3: Christophe Beck

Disc 4: Wanker, Duncan and Romayne. Imo, season 7 dont have enough to have a whole cd. And Wanker has a lot of really nice emotional cues in which most of them are quite short. And not too much good suspense music.

That's my dream box set! But I am sure LLL will please me no matter how they divide this!
I'm glad I'm not them, cause this must be a really hard task!! lol!

But of course, each to it's own! One thing we know for sure is that they will give something for everyone to enjoy, no matter which composer they prefer smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Dreams will be destroyed, enemies will be made, bitching and moaning will occur. In other words: It'll just be another day ending in a "y" at FSM.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Disc 1: Movie score, Murphy, Clement/Murray (I cant think of ONE cue from them, tbh...), Fields


When Justin went through the series, he pointed out highlights from the Clement/Murray scores. There was some good stuff.

Imo, season 7 dont have enough to have a whole cd. And Wanker has a lot of really nice emotional cues in which most of them are quite short. And not too much good suspense music.

Justin also did a good job of going though most of the Wanker scores and pointing out a lot of good highlights. Honestly there would be no trouble filling up a whole disc with the best of his music. He did score almost two whole seasons of the show, after all! And I personally think season 7 had a lot of great music too. The music was better than most of the stuff that season, which overall I felt was weaker than season one! smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   ZerOne   (Member)

Whatever is on the box set, it will be a gift. It's been 21 years since the show premiered, it's 10 years since the last soundtrack. We can be happy about anything we get, really.


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THAT BEING SAID;
I'm still secretly sacrificing goats for another ANGEL set.
(I am not actually sacrificing goats)



Clement/Murray (I cant think of ONE cue from them, tbh...), Fields


They did the song ("Anything") in Buffy's dream at the beginning of "Surprise", the score is by Beck though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnJWf4E9YpQ

Internet research also says they were responsible for these cues (and probably more):

36. Werewolf in the alley,
37. Angel hates fish,
38. Open door,
39. The chase,
40. Cordelia's bear,
41. Start the ceremony

If you want to go back and check, while you wait for LLL news, they also worked on the following episodes:

- Go Fish (1998) ... (score by)
- Killed by Death (1998) ... (score by)
- Phases (1998) ... (score by)
- Bad Eggs (1998) ... (score by)
- What's My Line?: Part 2 (1997) ... (score by)
- What's My Line?: Part 1 (1997) ... (score by)
- Lie to Me (1997) ... (score by)
- Reptile Boy (1997) ... (score by)
- School Hard (1997) ... (score by)


In addition to the movie score, I do expect only Murphy, Beck, Wanker and Duncan to be on this set though. MV said music from all seasons, not music from all composers. And it makes the most sense to focus on those who have contributed the most score to the show.



UNRELATED:
I just rewatched the "Prodigal" episode from Angel and noticed that they remixed the cue from "Somnambulist" that you liked for the end when Kate visits her father's grave, acathla. Really haunting cue. Right up there in the Angel hall of fame.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)


Disc 1: Movie score, Murphy, Clement/Murray (I cant think of ONE cue from them, tbh...), Fields


When Justin went through the series, he pointed out highlights from the Clement/Murray scores. There was some good stuff.

Imo, season 7 dont have enough to have a whole cd. And Wanker has a lot of really nice emotional cues in which most of them are quite short. And not too much good suspense music.

Justin also did a good job of going though most of the Wanker scores and pointing out a lot of good highlights. Honestly there would be no trouble filling up a whole disc with the best of his music. He did score almost two whole seasons of the show, after all! And I personally think season 7 had a lot of great music too. The music was better than most of the stuff that season, which overall I felt was weaker than season one! smile

Yavar


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I have gone through all the Clement/Murray episodes only to listen to the score (with dialog removed thanx to 5.1 audio) and I just couldnt find any cues to keep, tbh. But that's me. I'm so biased with Beck that NO ONE is good enough!! haha! razz

And yeah, come to think of it, Wanker do have a lot great cues. He was very good at simple piano melodies.
And of course "Run" from Into The Woods and "Yellow Crayon" from Grave. They are perfect!

And Duncan made a few very nice themes for season 7. LOVE the Slayer/Chosen theme (or whatever it's called) which pops up in several episodes where she shows of her heroic Slayer skills. And the Buffy/Spike theme was nice. There's a really nice version of it in Touched where Spike talks to Buffy and tells her that she's the "one".
I would love to have more score from Chosen. He really did a bang up job on that one!! I was hoping they'd bring in Beck for this (like with The Gift), but the score turned out to be perfect anyway, imo.

And yes, both Wanker and Duncan do actually have enough good stuff to fill one CD each.
I just divided them like that because the selfish me wants as much as Beck score as possible razz haha!

And btw, i think I'm one of those few who really loved season 7! I thought it was such a step up from the soapy season 6 (the musical NOT included) big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

ZerOne:

I've never heard those cues before!! All I've heard is from a promo disc they had which only included actual songs (which I cant remember ever being used at The Bronze...hm).
But yes, Anything is a really great song!! Love this one!

Wow, I've never noticed this about that theme in Angel I like!! Thanx for the tip! Will have to rewatch that episode now!! big grin
I am currently rewatching Angel, season 5 now. In episode 2 in a flashback to Sunnydale and Spike's sacrifice there is a really powerful cue called "The Hellmouth" by Douglas Romayne Stevens.
This same melody is also used later in that episode in a much more emotional variation. Lovely!!

Do you have more goats? I will help you sacrifice them to one day get an Angel box set!! haha!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Gomephrus   (Member)

And btw, i think I'm one of those few who really loved season 7! I thought it was such a step up from the soapy season 6 (the musical NOT included) big grin

I love season 7 only issue I have is with the potential slayers and the pacing of the season overall. My standout episode is "Lies My Parents Told Me". Season 6 on the other hand, on first watch I hated most of it. It easily had the 2 worst episodes of the entire series in my opinion: "Tabula Rasa" and "Hells Bells" which both conviently had the same writer for both. But ive softened a bit with season 6 over the years.

The weird-sounding montage cue as Buffy and Riley fight the demon intercut with them getting it on.

Just to let you know Justin, that little bit from "The I In Team" is actually the song "Window to Your Soul " by the band Delerium.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YCq4O3kghyM

Your work on these breakdowns are amazing smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 1:01 AM   
 By:   ZerOne   (Member)


And btw, i think I'm one of those few who really loved season 7! I thought it was such a step up from the soapy season 6 (the musical NOT included) big grin


I liked season seven too, but it is definitely one of the weaker seasons plot-wise. There is just a lot of filler and less character-centric stuff. It feels like most of the season is build-up and speeches. If you compare that to the season of ANGEL from the same year (season 4) which was just a relentless fast and epic rollercoaster, it just pales in comparison. I don't even have a problem with the potentials, because 1.) they weren't that bad and 2.) the pay-off is all worth it.

The S7 problems are more along the lines of:

1.) Terrible Pacing and lots of plot holes.
2.) The First was a fairly lame villain with no real power and no interesting relationships. Also, probably due to budget constrictions and scheduling difficulties, they didn't really seize the opportunity to have dead characters guest star as the First, they had SMG pull double duty almost through the entire season instead.
3.) Too much focus on Spike. If almost every line out of the mouth of your larger than life feminist icon is the name of a man, then something is wrong.
4.) Most of the characters really only stand around, looking worried.

My favorite episodes from S7 are actually the early MOTW ones as opposed to the later arc-heavy episodes.

That being said, the music in season seven was really good. I liked Wanker's score through season 5 and 6, but it was a nice change to have someone else score S7 of the show. Duncan brought a whole other feeling to the season.




Do you have more goats? I will help you sacrifice them to one day get an Angel box set!! haha!


Personally, I want to sacrifice a dragon. Let's go to work.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

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That last line kinda gave me chills!! I'm almost at the end of my season 5 rewatch!

And you're right about the focus on Spike in this season! I really liked him in the beginning, but after he became "soft" in season 5 I lost interest in him. Never liked him this way. And then the sex stuff in season 6!
I almost find it uncomfortable to watch (like Rachel/Joey in Friends) lol!

I loved all those speeches during that season, haha! They always had great score in those scenes razz
They did realize it themselves though. Like when Faith was in charge and she just "Speech giving is OVER!" big grin

Gomephrus: Wow! I never knew that was an actual song! I always thought it was Beck! Thanks for pointing that out!

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

A lot of themes were created during this show! Which one's are your favorites?

- Buffy/Angel (Close Your Eyes, etc)

- Buffy/Angel (season 3 version. Beck made a new love them for them after Angel came back. Dont know why. Maybe he was afraid to overuse the first one? Or maybe the first one was more about the Buffy/Angelus drama?)

- Buffy/Riley

- Giles/Jenny

- Willow/Oz

- Willow/Tara

- Xander/Anya (only used twice I think. First when Xander propose. Then again in a season 6 episode, Wanker makes a different variation of it for one of their scenes)

- Buffy/Spike (season 7)

- Buffy/Joyce (season 2)

- Buffy/Faith (Little Miss Muffet, season 3 and then again in This Years's Girl)

- Slayer theme (season 7)

- Xander/Willow (I think it was a theme during season 3 when they started to flirt. Very guitarish)

Any more? big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Buffy/Angel (season 3 version. Beck made a new love them for them after Angel came back. Dont know why. Maybe he was afraid to overuse the first one? Or maybe the first one was more about the Buffy/Angelus drama?)

I always thought the new theme existed because the characters were in such a very different place in the third season. “Close Your Eyes” is a sweeping theme that emphasizes the passionate connection between Buffy and Angel, while the third season theme is more about the facing the realities that divide them. The theme is much reserved and mature, leading to a place of quiet acceptance in “One Last Look.”

That sweeping quality is what makes the reprise of “Close Your Eyes” in the Angel episode “I Will Remember You,” in which their relationship is suddenly unrestrained for two acts, so effective.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

This is probably blasphemy but I always preferred that second love theme in the third season, especially the YOU BROKE MY HEART rendition in "One Last Look."

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

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OMG! How dare you!!?
hehe! razz

I really like both, but I`m totally obsessed with first one, so nothing will ever be good enough (for me) unless it`s that one. big grin

I would love to hear a great suite of this version.

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Buffy/Angel (season 3 version. Beck made a new love them for them after Angel came back. Dont know why. Maybe he was afraid to overuse the first one? Or maybe the first one was more about the Buffy/Angelus drama?)

I always thought the new theme existed because the characters were in such a very different place in the third season. “Close Your Eyes” is a sweeping theme that emphasizes the passionate connection between Buffy and Angel, while the third season theme is more about the facing the realities that divide them. The theme is much reserved and mature, leading to a place of quiet acceptance in “One Last Look.”

That sweeping quality is what makes the reprise of “Close Your Eyes” in the Angel episode “I Will Remember You,” in which their relationship is suddenly unrestrained for two acts, so effective.


Yeah, this makes sense! He kept using it for the first 3-4 episodes of season 3, but those scenes were all still about the very tragic/heartbreaking side of their relationship.

Btw, is there sort of two versions of the new season 3 theme? "One Last Look" (or "One Last Moment" as it was called in the Rounder release) is the same one used in all the later episodes like when Angel breaks up with her, the "I`m not gonna say goodbye" moment in GD part 2, and then there`s this one used in the first half of the season when he was still a "hell-beast" and i.e. the intro to "Magic Snow Music":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKFtQNBWYZU&t=

Or are these "two" versions the same one? Except that we`ve never heard the full and complete version in any of the scenes?

 
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