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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   jonmerkel   (Member)

I'm looking to get some thoughts on the original Pirates of the Caribbean score for my next review. It's a pretty controversial score, and something I want to dive into to appreciate it's strengths and weakness's. It's been one of the most requested scores for me to review. I'll have it up next week, I just finished my review of American Beauty however which can be viewed here http://bit.ly/2uih5c1

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

The original? Works well in the film. The score presentation is a mess, and isn't helped by the poor sound/sample quality. But it's got catchy tunes that people could remember when they left the theater, it has some energy. Basically at this point it's more of a demo reel for #2 and #3 than much worth listening to in its entirety in its own right.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   jonmerkel   (Member)

The original? Works well in the film. The score presentation is a mess, and isn't helped by the poor sound/sample quality. But it's got catchy tunes that people could remember when they left the theater, it has some energy. Basically at this point it's more of a demo reel for #2 and #3 than much worth listening to in its entirety in its own right.
That's just like I feel. A demo reel is a perfect point.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm rather lukewarm to the films themselves (I think I've seen the first three -- once -- but not the last two). As for scores, they have plenty of highlights; the last huzzah of the power anthem style before it went away, post-BOURNE. The first and second score are the best; the others I don't think I've even heard.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I'm rather lukewarm to the films themselves (I think I've seen the first three -- once -- but not the last two). As for scores, they have plenty of highlights; the last huzzah of the power anthem style before it went away, post-BOURNE. The first and second score are the best; the others I don't think I've even heard.

If you don't think the third score is the best in the series, your ears are broken. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't think I've heard the third score yet. At least not properly.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

I enjoy the scores quite a bit. The second is by far the best. (I guess my ears are broken wink) I love the themes for Davy Jones (especially the uses of organ and music box) and the Kraken, and it has some good use of the themes from the original film, particularly during the water wheel fight. After that, my order of preference for the scores are 3, 1, 4, 5.

The extra music in the box set is nice, but half the bonus disc is demos and remixes. Hopefully Disney will put out expanded releases of the scores, particularly the first three some day.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I think the score to 1 is mostly junk... it sounds as if it was written quickly and slapped together, which of course it was.

That said, I really appreciate the scores to 2 and 3... it sounds like Zimmer was really trying on those and it shows. 4 didn't do much for me, and I haven't bothered with 5.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I enjoy the scores quite a bit. The second is by far the best. (I guess my ears are broken wink) I love the themes for Davy Jones (especially the uses of organ and music box) and the Kraken, and it has some good use of the themes from the original film, particularly during the water wheel fight.

You know, I like a lot about the score. Davy Jones, Kraken, Jack Sparrow, the wheel scene, yes. And then they made the absolutely horrible decision to end the album with a 10-minute nothing of a cue that just deflates all enthusiasm for whatever else has come before.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I loved the film and parts of the score. I would have thought more of it if 1) the album had been better and 2) they hadn't lifted part of Wojciech Kilar's Dracula. But there are some pretty terrific themes and set pieces in there if I remember to look for them. Jack's entrance and the first sword fight between Will and Jack are standouts.

I'm not overly in love with the whole score of 2, but the concert suites of Jack Sparrow, The Kraken, and Davy Jones got played almost continuously that year.

Pirates 3 is one of my favorite scores ever, and definitely of the 21st century. It has all the detail and use of themes and character that I find missing from, well, pretty much everything these days.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I have the CD by Badelt from the first movie. I NEVER play it. Too noisy (and too orchestral) for my current taste.

And I will surely never see any of the films.

But I admit there are certain nice themes here and there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I've always felt that the post-60s Disney was more to do with what parents THINK their children SHOULD want than what they actually DO want: reassuring the moms and dads who buy the tickets ... apparently Disney didn't like the concept at all originally, and were firmly against Jack Sparrow becoming the central character. It's as well he did. A saccharine 'boy meets princess' pirate movie would be awful. But Depp's character brings genuine trickster life, and helps kids grow up. And the children aren't patronised: plenty of decent adult symbolism in the pictures.

The score is okay, has many good passages, and is thematic enough for a child to adopt as his/her own tune.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

My main criticism of the Pirates scores, outside of the overuse of electronics, is that there's too much score. I think there are some good pieces in these scores, and I admit I enjoy the albums of same, and it's mostly because the films are overscored.

There are scenes that simply don't need scoring, but it's there anyway. I get the feeling Bruckheimer wants music under everything to keep it moving--even when the plot doesn't need the filmgoing experience to move.

I appreciated Zanelli's work on the latest because a fair amount of electronics has been eliminated and there's not constant underscoring. The film itself is okay. I really liked and enjoyed the first two installments.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

Too noisy (and too orchestral) for my current taste.

Too orchestral? Is there such a thing? Most of the scores today, do not have enough orchestral!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I got distracted when part of the theme sounded very similar to something I'd heard before in the 'Gladiator' score.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

apparently Disney didn't like the concept at all originally, and were firmly against Jack Sparrow becoming the central character.

Jack is in no way the central character. That's something 2 and 3 struggled with and it's what sunk 4.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I got distracted when part of the theme sounded very similar to something I'd heard before in the 'Gladiator' score.

This. But I do like the jaunty fiddle theme for Jack Sparrow. Best part of the first score for me, and it got developed more in the second to good effect. The second score was a giant leap forward in musical quality, and then the third score was an even bigger leap forward, IMO (though one of the best of the 21st century is still a bit of a stretch, IMO.) "Up Is Down" is totally addictive to me. (Hey, woodwinds!)

Unfortunately, as the scores were drastically improving over the course of the trilogy, the films themselves were getting worse and worse. Therefore I have more nostalgia tied to the first (rather trashy) score just because I loved the film so much. But the far superior music is unfortunately somewhat still tied in my head to really convoluted and frustrating overwrought movies.

The first and second score are the best; the others I don't think I've even heard.

Thor, surely you must be able to realize what a ridiculous statement this is. How on earth can you confidently pronounce the judgment that the first and second score are the best, when you haven't even heard any of the other three?? Why even spend the time writing that?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, surely you must be able to realize what a ridiculous statement this is. How on earth can you confidently pronounce the judgment that the first and second score are the best, when you haven't even heard any of the other three?? Why even spend the time writing that?

Good point. I think I meant the first two are GOOD, the others I haven't heard (properly) yet. Although I have seen the third movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well give it a listen. Musically speaking, it's quite noticeably the best of the three IMO. Not quite CutThroat Island, of course.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

(though one of the best of the 21st century is still a bit of a stretch, IMO.)

It's not a very high bar. wink

 
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