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 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)




Why has there never been a Rawhide soundtrack CD ?

I know the theme song was a hit single that's appeared in compilations and been covered by a number of artists, but how extensive was Tiomkin's involvement in Rawhide? Did he provide variations on the theme, instrumentals, additional music?

It would be interesting to hear an instrumental of the theme without the vocal and whip-snapping sound effects. As much as I love the song, I want to hear what Tiomkin has going on underneath. It sounds like an accordion or concertina adding color to the throbbing rhythm section. There is actually something quite subtle and way western buried under the vocal and chorus.

I'm interested in hearing the actual, original recordings, NOT cover versions.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

If memory serves me right, Tiomkin only wrote the main theme and didn't provide scores for any of the episodes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I too would like to see a CD(s) for the Rawhide TV music.

Go to the IMDB. It lists composers and further down music conductors and supervisors.

Bernard Herrmann scored 2, Jerry Goldsmith scored 1, many others are listed as composers, conductors, supervision etc. It looks like some music was used again in many episodes as well as new music written for the series.

It was a great TV series with some fine music.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I too would like to see a CD(s) for the Rawhide TV music.

Go to the IMDB. It lists composers and further down music conductors and supervisors.

Bernard Herrmann scored 2, Jerry Goldsmith scored 1, many others are listed as composers, conductors, supervision etc. It looks like some music was used again in many episodes as well as new music written for the series.

It was a great TV series with some fine music.


The Goldsmith score for Incident in the Middle of Nowhere is excellent; very much in Rio Conchos territory.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)



Why has there never been a Rawhide soundtrack CD ?

I'm interested in hearing the actual, original recordings, NOT cover versions.






I always liked the secondary theme, often used behind Gil Favor's introductory dialog and other wide-open-spaces scenes. Here it appears most clearly between 1:36 and 2:10. Because it was a regular theme, I assumed it was by Tiomkin, but maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdagDp0K0pM

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

There is no full composer listing for the show yet anywhere online. What is on IMDb, is what has been found so far. I've been trying to solve the credit for each episode on my now defunct site (tvscoring.150m.com -- the host provider shut and never said anything in advance).

What I have from my efforts so far is:
Leith Stevens, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Jerry Goldsmith, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Fred Steiner, R.I.P. (9, so far)
Russell Garcia, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Dimitri Tiomkin, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Nathan Scott, R.I.P. (4 or 5, so far)
Leon Klatzkin, R.I.P. (7, so far)
Richard Shores, R.I.P. (2, so far)
Rudy Schrager, R.I.P. (15)
Gerald Fried (2, so far)
Paul Sawtell, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Lyn Murray (2, so far)
Johnny Green, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Billy May, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Bernard Herrmann, R.I.P. (2, so far)
Hugo Friedhofer, R.I.P. (1, so far)
Harry Geller (1, so far)

Granted, that above listing is probably a little over a year out of date.

I don't remember where I found this information, but I have Tiomkin marked down for an uncredited score to the season four episode "A Woman's Place".

Stock music by Herrmann was also tracked into thirty or thirty-one episodes, almost exclusively ones that had not credited composer.

Season seven and season eight are the only seasons I finished.


The following composers may have contributed material or just had library music of other efforts tracked in:

Howard Jackson
Bernhard Kaun
Robert Drasnin
Wilbur Hatch
Lucien Moraweck
Jerome Moross, R.I.P.
Marlin Skiles
Don Ray, R.I.P.
Martin L. Klein
William Grant Still, R.I.P.
Willaim Lava, R.I.P.
Leonard Rosenman, R.I.P.
Daniele Amfitheatrof, R.I.P.
Marius Constant
Laurence Rosenthal
Ernest Gold, R.I.P.
Nathan Van Cleave
Sol Kaplan

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2017 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The Film Music Society CD "Music from CBS Westerns" (released in 2002) has 12 minutes of music from the Rawhide episode "Six Weeks to Bent Fork" by Friedhofer (includes just the Friedhofer music, not the Tiomkin material).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2017 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)



Why has there never been a Rawhide soundtrack CD ?

I'm interested in hearing the actual, original recordings, NOT cover versions.






I always liked the secondary theme, often used behind Gil Favor's introductory dialog and other wide-open-spaces scenes. Here it appears most clearly between 1:36 and 2:10. Because it was a regular theme, I assumed it was by Tiomkin, but maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdagDp0K0pM


That secondary theme (heard at the beginning of the episode with opening narration by Eric Fleming [Gil Favor[) you're referring to was according to Jon Burlingame in his book "Television's Greatest Hits", composed by Russell Garcia and was rearranged for strings and low brass for the end credits for the ninth and final season. Also, according to Thomas Hilshak in his "Encyclopedia Of Film Composers", Dominic Frontiere is believed to have scored a fifth season episode.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2017 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Gil Favor to cowardly townsfolk scared of facing up to the villain: "A man doesn't know how big a shadow he throws... until he stands up".

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2017 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   BBoulle   (Member)

Frankie Laine or Jake and Elwood? Nothing says both Country and Western like Bob's Country Bunker.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2017 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Basil Wrathbone


Why has there never been a Rawhide soundtrack CD ?

I'm interested in hearing the actual, original recordings, NOT cover versions.



I always liked the secondary theme, often used behind Gil Favor's introductory dialog and other wide-open-spaces scenes. Here it appears most clearly between 1:36 and 2:10. Because it was a regular theme, I assumed it was by Tiomkin, but maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdagDp0K0pM


Okay, I've listened a few times to the secondary theme. It's spirited and way western, but it doesn't sound like Tiomkin.

Tiomkin's western scores sound like no one else's. There is a thematic consistency from one western score to another, from High Noon to Rawhide to The Alamo etc.

I wonder if research at CBS would turn up some more work by Tiomkin. I'd like to hear an instrumental of the main title song without Laine and chorus crushing it.

My thanks to mgh, filmusicnow, Justin Boggan, Basil and everyone for contributing your thoughts on Rawhide. Perhaps some label will look into the archives and find some tapes to release. The scores are of value apart from and despite Frankie Laine.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2017 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Am I correct in thinking the score was recorded first, and the vocals added later? Since there are a couple of variations of it on the program there is a possibility there's more of Tiomkin's recording in a vault somewhere.

Laine's hit single is a different or later recording, not the Tiomkin recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2017 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I wonder if anybody knew that Laine and his wife appeared in an episode of "Rawhide"?

 
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