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 Posted:   Jun 13, 2017 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Happy 50th anniversary, You Only Live Twice!

Here's a few quick thoughts about the wonderful title song:

http://www.malonedigital.com/yolt50.htm



Chris


From one Chris to another, here's hoping you eventually get a crack at marrying Nancy and the orchestra properly...and the rest of the tapes, too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2017 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Most of them show up eventually for short dough, if you're looking in the right places.


I'm just saying you'd never get them all. There are untold numbers of Bond-related LPs for the would-be completist to chase, and when you think you've found them all, you haven't. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2017 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I have never encountered an across-the-board Bond fanatic. I've known people who were into certain eras of Bond films, or guys who collected models of the cars, etc., but I don't think I've ever met anyone who loves the Bond franchise top to bottom, who also owns all of the films in the latest format, who also collects the cars, who also has all of the books, who also has all the soundtracks, who also bought all of the expanded soundtracks, and who would also buy expansions of the remaining soundtracks.

To be an "across the board Bond fanatic" and collect everything, you'd need a separate building to store it all. As with Star Trek, there's been so much merchandise over the years that no collector can be a true completist. It simply can't be done.

Even just chasing every last Bond-related vinyl LP would break your spirit eventually.

Most of them show up eventually for short dough, if you're looking in the right places.


Of course, this is presupposing that any fan in their right mind (even the most die-hard of fans) would have the expenses or even simply the interest to own every last scrap of James Bond memorabilia that's been pumped out over the years. No one has this. Maybe some eccentric multibillionaire with an estate in Texas that comes with its own race track and rocket ship launch pad. Maybe. Bottom line: these fans don't exist. They don't exist for Star Wars or Star Trek either. Or LOTR. Though I imagine there are a handful who have a basement and maybe an attic's worth of never-taken-out-of-the-box junk that would give this peculiar concept of the "dream enthusiast" a run for its money.

But fortunately, you don't need those nonexistent "dream fans" to make up a market for expanded soundtracks. You just need fans. Which exist in the thousands. So-called "across-the-board" fans who love the entire series and own all the films on blu-ray, many of whom probably also own most of, if not all of, the Flemings and very likely most of, if not all of, the film scores. Those are the fans who exist. Those are the fans who matter. And yes, they are legion.

For the record: I've never met anyone in my day-to-day life with even a passing interest in the Star Trek films. But I'm not going to feign shock over the Star Trek expansions. A little common sense is all you need.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

But fortunately, you don't need those nonexistent "dream fans" to make up a market for expanded soundtracks. You just need fans. Which exist in the thousands. So-called "across-the-board" fans who love the entire series and own all the films on blu-ray, many of whom probably also own most of, if not all of, the Flemings and very likely most of, if not all of, the film scores. Those are the fans who exist. Those are the fans who matter. And yes, they are legion.

Exactly, which means that if there are any more expansions of Bond scores, the audience will be the same subculture of misfits already buying expansions, and maybe a few more.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Do we know of a web page or blog that lists out what Bond cues are missing from the existing CDs?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   ScottyM   (Member)


For the record: I've never met anyone in my day-to-day life with even a passing interest in the Star Trek films. But I'm not going to feign shock over the Star Trek expansions. A little common sense is all you need.


Maybe you have and it just has never come up. It's not something people lead off with. smile "Hey, man, how's it going? Like Star Trek movies?" Sometimes, I meet a person, we talk, do a show together, he leaves, I leave, we become friends on social media and THEN I find out he likes Star Trek. And I'm all, "shit, if I knew that then, we would have had more stuff to talk about!"

But anyway, it's just as possible that nobody you know likes Trek. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Some interesting stuff being said but I find the argument a bit bogus.

I reckon there's over 10 million Star Trek fans around the globe and yet less than 0.1% of them have bought La-La-Land's Star Trek The Motion Picture. I know several really dedicated Star Trek fans who laugh at me for upgrading from the cheap Sony-Legacy disc that you can get in HMV for a fiver.

Most Star Wars fans won't buy the Star Wars soundtracks.

So why does Bond have to be different?

I just don't buy the apparent argument that expanding more James Bond scores is a pointless gesture that nobody's interested in.

Sorry, but when you look around at the stuff coming out, you can't tell me all that stuff is viable but James Bond soundtracks aren't.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Do we know of a web page or blog that lists out what Bond cues are missing from the existing CDs?

No, but I can give you an idea ...

There's about 20 minutes still missing from Thunderball. (Even after the 2003 expansion of Thunderball there's still more music missing from Thunderball than there is from Moonraker.)

The 2003 YOLT was complete but like many fans I'd like a 2CD edition, 1CD of the album programme and 1CD of the complete score, chronological, and without joining lots of cues into ten-minute-plus suites.

The 2003 OHMSS is missing just a few minutes/

The 2003 Diamonds Are Forever is complete but, apparently, for one piece that lasts about 5 seconds in the film.

The Man With The Golden Gun is missing about 20 minutes of score.

The Spy Who Loved Me is missing the whole score (the album was an easy listening style re-recording).

Moonraker is missing about 15 minutes of score. (Source cues might push that up a fair bit though.)

Octopussy is missing about 20 minutes of score.

A View To A Kill is missing about 20 minutes of score.

The Living Daylights is missing 2 cues I think, from memory. It's definitely missing at least one.

You can argue there's no compelling case to re-do titles that are only missing one or two cues, but there is a definite case for a double disc of Thunderball, The Man With The Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill.

I think we needed a sixth reissue 3CD of Poltergeist II less urgently, yet that was still considered viable.

I accept we'll never get any more From Russia With Love or Goldfinger, but for Thunderball through The Living Daylights I would LOVE to see them done again as 2CD editions that have the original album assembly on disc 1 and complete, chronological film score on disc 2.

But, you know what, we're talking about James Bond film scores and nobody would be interested. ;-)

CHeers

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)


For the record: I've never met anyone in my day-to-day life with even a passing interest in the Star Trek films. But I'm not going to feign shock over the Star Trek expansions. A little common sense is all you need.


Maybe you have and it just has never come up. It's not something people lead off with. smile "Hey, man, how's it going? Like Star Trek movies?" Sometimes, I meet a person, we talk, do a show together, he leaves, I leave, we become friends on social media and THEN I find out he likes Star Trek. And I'm all, "shit, if I knew that then, we would have had more stuff to talk about!"

But anyway, it's just as possible that nobody you know likes Trek. big grin


Good point! It's not something that comes up often (ever). But you're right, I surely have encountered any number of Trekkies without ever knowing it.

I'm actually surprised by the number of people OnyaBirri has met who openly collect model James Bond cars. Must actually be a pretty healthy fanbase for JB out there. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Do we know of a web page or blog that lists out what Bond cues are missing from the existing CDs?

No, but I can give you an idea ...


There are a handful of cues missing from GoldenEye as well (including Altman's tank chase music).

Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough have probably 15-20 minutes missing each, potentially more.

Die Another Day is truly where an expansion is needed. If I had to guess, very conservatively, I'd say at least 40 minutes of score is unreleased.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

You can argue there's no compelling case to re-do titles that are only missing one or two cues, but there is a definite case for a double disc of Thunderball, The Man With The Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill.

I think we needed a sixth reissue 3CD of Poltergeist II less urgently, yet that was still considered viable.

I accept we'll never get any more From Russia With Love or Goldfinger, but for Thunderball through The Living Daylights I would LOVE to see them done again as 2CD editions that have the original album assembly on disc 1 and complete, chronological film score on disc 2.

But, you know what, we're talking about James Bond film scores and nobody would be interested. ;-)



I'd be certainly interested in expansions of Golden Gun, Octopussy and View To A Kill. Not two discs worth - there's not enough currently unreleased material to warrant that, and a set with album and full score on separate CDs just duplicates most of the music that we've all already got.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

There are more than 20 minutes of improvised koto music for the spa scene in A View to a Kill that would definitely spill onto a second disc.

But I'm sure the excerpt used in the film would suffice for most. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I just don't buy the apparent argument that expanding more James Bond scores is a pointless gesture that nobody's interested in.

Sorry, but when you look around at the stuff coming out, you can't tell me all that stuff is viable but James Bond soundtracks aren't.


The percentage of the general public who cares about expanded film scores is miniscule.

There are far fewer people buying CDs these days.

Among those who still are buying CDs, most of them are not paying $20 for them, as Amazon browsing will reveal.

No one is arguing that these expansions are not "viable." They will simply appeal to the same subculture already buying them.

If the expansions were available as $9.99 downloads, then maybe a larger audience would buy them.

But these CD expansions, if they ever happen, will come with the same risk and reward as any of the others.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2017 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Doctor Shatterhand   (Member)

Incidentally, while I'm sure they must exist, I have never encountered an across-the-board Bond fanatic. I've known people who were into certain eras of Bond films, or guys who collected models of the cars, etc., but I don't think I've ever met anyone who loves the Bond franchise top to bottom, who also owns all of the films in the latest format, who also collects the cars, who also has all of the books, who also has all the soundtracks, who also bought all of the expanded soundtracks, and who would also buy expansions of the remaining soundtracks.

I personally check out after "Diamonds Are Forever," although I have mildly enjoyed a few of the films from the subsequent decades.


I have to confess, I am a Bond fanatic. I have been since the 1960's. I have all the books/novels, all the films on DVD and once on VHS as well as audio cassettes recorded off TV. I own the model cars, action figures, board games, video games, original posters and lobby cards, lunchboxes, Franklin Mint plates, Sideshow figures, and of course the soundtracks. I have a Man Cave office in my home displaying some of these items with autographs from the cast and crews of these films. Yes, I am a proud fanatic.

I would definitely buy any newly release of Bond music that has never been released before such as "Auric's Stud Farm" from Goldfinger, or "Fiona's Wild Ride" from Thunderball. or "Domino's Brother" from the same film. I would also appreciate the original From Russia with Love opening credit music with the organ. Obviously any music from the film Dr. No as well as expanded scores from The Man with the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill and beyond.

So now you have met one.

 
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