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 Posted:   May 19, 2017 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   jsmiley108   (Member)

This discussion will include SPOILERS!!!

Saw Alien Covenant last night. As I was driving to the cinema, I was wondering if I had the stomach for it because the review in the Sydney Morning Herald had lead me to believe that is was up there with the original Alien as far as thrills and spills were concerned. Well I needn't have worried because there was so much exposition and discussion that it almost verged on being boring at times.

The thrills and spills were well handled but the tension that was such an important element in all the original Alien films (and I will include No. 4 here even though I am not a big fan of it) was somewhat lacking.

Music:
It was nice to hear Jerry Goldsmith's theme (slightly rearranged) over the opening credits but that should have been the end of it. I'm sure there were bits of Horner in there as well (a lot of which was Goldsmith rearranged anyway). Didn't notice any Goldenthal or Frizzel but certainly there was a section from Prometheus in there as well. The section that I didn't recognise (possibly original Kurzel) sounded reasonably interesting, but the constant re-appearance of Goldsmith's theme started to wear out it's welcome. When they were discovering the new planet it seemed that they couldn't do it without the help of Goldsmith (or was it Horner?). Some silence here would have added to the tension.

Plot:
Just touching a little bit on the plot at the end (Spoiler alert)... there was no or little tension with the Walter/David characters. It was so clearly sign posted. Much better to have shown the audience how David disposed of Walter so then it was then a case of us being on edge because we knew but Daniels did not, or somehow set it up so that it is one almighty shock for the audience at the end... either way would have been more powerful than what Scott and the scriptwriters came up with in the end...

Comments?

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   jsmiley108   (Member)

It's with some irony that Ridley Scott has not only been effusive about Goldsmith's music in retrospectives, but his main theme appears in Jed Kurzel's score for “Alien: Covenant” far more than it does in the 1979 film.

from:
http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/the-great-unknown-the-story-behind-jerry-goldsmiths-score-for-alien.
Article by Charlie Brigden

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I really liked that article. It is certainly ironic when one considers how much of Goldsmith's score was cut from the original.

This movie just opened here over the weekend, so I think many at FSM have not seen it yet. After more have seen the movie and heard the score, I believe you will find more will chime in on this topic. Right now people are just avoiding spoilers before they see the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   jsmiley108   (Member)

Thanks Joan... I was wondering why there were no replies lol...
no Goldsmith defenders, no Kurzel defenders, no Alien/Scott defenders, no Prometheus defenders (and let's go the whole hog, not even any Alien vs Predator defenders lol)

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Members are discussing the movie without spoilers and are talking about the score on
this main page topic.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=118189&forumID=1&archive=0

Hopefully soon, we can talk about the details of the movie and score. I left the movie with some questions from Prometheus answered and some questions still not answered, so I look forward to a discussion soon.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Saw the film and was dissapointed. The minute I heard the line "Let's blow it out of the BLEEPING air lock!" my brain shut down. I almost walked out. Eff Hollywood and their worn out BS. There isn't even an effort anymore.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Alien Covenant is a soulless movie. If the evil twin robot scientists theme is your cup tea. Than it is for you. Well made good movie. I enjoy the Alien films and Prometheus. Ridley Scott wants to make more? He should give it a rest. The score is serviceable no more.

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I thought I saw a visual reference to the pàinting Isle if the Dead? When Walter and David ate in the garden at the grave. I thought their was a wide shot that reminded me of a version of the painting? It was pretty brief, but with so many "homages" to other things I thought it was possible.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2017 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

It's with some irony that Ridley Scott has not only been effusive about Goldsmith's music in retrospectives, but his main theme appears in Jed Kurzel's score for “Alien: Covenant” far more than it does in the 1979 film.

from:
http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/the-great-unknown-the-story-behind-jerry-goldsmiths-score-for-alien.
Article by Charlie Brigden


Thanks for the article! This has been rehashed over the years and I’ve said before on other threads, that I can’t disagree more strongly with Rawlings and Scott on the use of the non-Alien cues, nor with the rejection of Goldsmith’s original Main Title. The only Freud cue that comes even remotely close to the flavor of Alien is the one used (“Desperate Case”) in the Dallas/ventilation system sequence.
JG’s original “romantic” Main Title (and it is) and his original End Title are what connect and bind together the entire score, for goodness’s sake. After all the unworldly-sounding riffs and suspense-laden and crashing horror cues in between, the End Title starts with peaceful relief and resolution and rise to a glorious crescendo to complete the experience. Scott and Rawlings simply fell in love with the temp tracks and unfortunately stuck with them, to the detriment of the experience of the movie.
Hanson’s music is unknown galaxies removed from Goldsmith’s. I repeat myself, but having purchased the LP in 1979 and shortly thereafter attending the movie with great anticipation of the use of said score, I sat in fury (and never was able to get the stain out wink) in the theater at the misuse and abuse of Goldsmith’s wonderful music.

Enough rant, I plan to see this in the next few days and I appreciate the comments and reviews thus far.

 
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