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 Posted:   Mar 30, 2022 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

The Laurel CD of cues from The Rifleman is excellent; even powerful for listeners with memory of the series, as so many of the pieces evoke associations with great moments from multiple episodes. My only regret is that the decision wasn't made also to include Gilbert's poignant end-title theme from Sam Peckinpah's Four Star Productions series The Westerner, though the release is still wonderful.

Is there anything released from Have Gun – Will Travel?

A 10-minute suite of Herrmann's score for the Have Gun pilot episode "Three Bells to Perdido" was issued decades ago on a Cerberus Records LP, as well as the CD from the Film Music Preservation Society (is that their current name?) Bernard Herrmann: The CBS Years Vol. 1 - The Westerns. It's limited, but I believe the disc is still available from them.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2022 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The Laurel CD of cues from The Rifleman is excellent; even powerful for listeners with memory of the series, as so many of the pieces evoke associations with great moments from multiple episodes. My only regret is that the decision wasn't made also to include Gilbert's poignant end-title theme from Sam Peckinpah's Four Star Productions series The Westerner, though the release is still wonderful.

Is there anything released from Have Gun – Will Travel?

A 10-minute suite of Herrmann's score for the Have Gun pilot episode "Three Bells to Perdido" was issued decades ago on a Cerberus Records LP, as well as the CD from the Film Music Preservation Society (is that their current name?) Bernard Herrmann: The CBS Years Vol. 1 - The Westerns. It's limited, but I believe the disc is still available from them.


It's the Film Music Society, though they've been inactive in recent years.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2022 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Disc 2 isn't merely more Rifleman show music. Gilbert pulled cues from his film scores into the show, so most of disc two is (in addition to being music heard in the show) a sampler of his film work. Quite a few titles are represented, too, but one can only find out via the liner notes, after buying the disc.

Here they are

Riot in Cell Block Eleven (1954)
2-06 Brother Rats

Models, Inc. (1952)
2-07 Man Eats Newspaper

The Jackie Robinson Story (1950)
2-08 Shorty Plays
2-09 Seasons Change Montage

No Place To Hide (1956)
2-10 Greg's Plan
2-11 Poison Pills
2-12 The Prowler

Witness to Murder (1954)
2-13 Give Him The Needle
2-14 Killer In The News/Police Office

No Time For Flowers (1952)
2-15 March To The Toilet/Follow That Man

Without Warning (1952)
2-16 Torn Suit/The Package

The Highwayman (1951)
2-17 The Highwaywoman

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (1956)
2-18 Guilty Or Not
2-19 I'm Leaving/Stalking A Killer
2-20 Vicenti Dies Final

The Naked Dawn (1955)
2-21 Bank Hold-Up
2-22 Hide & Seek

While the City Sleeps (1956)
2-23 Catch Him!/The Fight

The Thief (1952)
2-24 Hidden Microphone

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2022 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   JRP   (Member)

The particular one I would still like to see from the Four Star library is Wanted: Dead or Alive.

Yes yes yes!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2022 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Disc 2 isn't merely more Rifleman show music. Gilbert pulled cues from his film scores into the show, so most of disc two is (in addition to being music heard in the show) a sampler of his film work. Quite a few titles are represented, too, but one can only find out via the liner notes, after buying the disc.

Here they are

Riot in Cell Block Eleven (1954)
2-06 Brother Rats

Models, Inc. (1952)
2-07 Man Eats Newspaper

The Jackie Robinson Story (1950)
2-08 Shorty Plays
2-09 Seasons Change Montage

No Place To Hide (1956)
2-10 Greg's Plan
2-11 Poison Pills
2-12 The Prowler

Witness to Murder (1954)
2-13 Give Him The Needle
2-14 Killer In The News/Police Office

No Time For Flowers (1952)
2-15 March To The Toilet/Follow That Man

Without Warning (1952)
2-16 Torn Suit/The Package

The Highwayman (1951)
2-17 The Highwaywoman

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (1956)
2-18 Guilty Or Not
2-19 I'm Leaving/Stalking A Killer
2-20 Vicenti Dies Final

The Naked Dawn (1955)
2-21 Bank Hold-Up
2-22 Hide & Seek

While the City Sleeps (1956)
2-23 Catch Him!/The Fight

The Thief (1952)
2-24 Hidden Microphone


Gilbert was wise to retain the publishing rights to his film and television music, and seven of the films listed have been released on either D.V.D. or M.O.D. D.V.D.-R..

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2022 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

Is there anything released from Have Gun – Will Travel?

A 10-minute suite of Herrmann's score for the Have Gun pilot episode "Three Bells to Perdido" was issued decades ago on a Cerberus Records LP, as well as the CD from the Film Music Preservation Society (is that their current name?) Bernard Herrmann: The CBS Years Vol. 1 - The Westerns. It's limited, but I believe the disc is still available from them.

It's the Film Music Society, though they've been inactive in recent years.


Thank you, filmmusicnow. I remembered the Society's name change, just not exactly. However, I apologize to BornOfAJackal on being wrong with the label referred to: The Herrmann CD containing the Have Gun - Will Travel pilot's suite came from Prometheus, not the Film Music Society.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2022 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

My first inadvertent double post here.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2022 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)



Gilbert was wise to retain the publishing rights to his film and television music, and seven of the films listed have been released on either D.V.D. or M.O.D. D.V.D.-R..


It's not that he was wise -- all composers would like to retain their publishing rights. He was lucky in that he was in a position to request them while at Four Star and not be told to go jump in a lake. Way back then, even for low-budget productions where the composers were paid little to score the projects, it was no easy feat for a composer to retain any publishing rights. Nine times out of ten, he would have to assign those rights to a larger publishing entity and have to settle for his writer's share of royalties and other potential income.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2022 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Disc 2 isn't merely more Rifleman show music. Gilbert pulled cues from his film scores into the show, so most of disc two is (in addition to being music heard in the show) a sampler of his film work. Quite a few titles are represented, too, but one can only find out via the liner notes, after buying the disc.

Here they are

Riot in Cell Block Eleven (1954)
2-06 Brother Rats

Models, Inc. (1952)
2-07 Man Eats Newspaper

The Jackie Robinson Story (1950)
2-08 Shorty Plays
2-09 Seasons Change Montage

No Place To Hide (1956)
2-10 Greg's Plan
2-11 Poison Pills
2-12 The Prowler

Witness to Murder (1954)
2-13 Give Him The Needle
2-14 Killer In The News/Police Office

No Time For Flowers (1952)
2-15 March To The Toilet/Follow That Man

Without Warning (1952)
2-16 Torn Suit/The Package

The Highwayman (1951)
2-17 The Highwaywoman

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (1956)
2-18 Guilty Or Not
2-19 I'm Leaving/Stalking A Killer
2-20 Vicenti Dies Final

The Naked Dawn (1955)
2-21 Bank Hold-Up
2-22 Hide & Seek

While the City Sleeps (1956)
2-23 Catch Him!/The Fight

The Thief (1952)
2-24 Hidden Microphone


also on disc 1:

The Naked Hills (1956)
1-26 Love in a Laundry
1-27 Wilkins Clips Tracy
1-28 Jimmo Dies
1-29 Drunkard's Walk
1-30 Monday Rejected
1-31 You Have a Baby?
1-32 Tracy, Please Come Home
1-33 End Title (The Naked Hills)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2022 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)



Gilbert was wise to retain the publishing rights to his film and television music, and seven of the films listed have been released on either D.V.D. or M.O.D. D.V.D.-R..


It's not that he was wise -- all composers would like to retain their publishing rights. He was lucky in that he was in a position to request them while at Four Star and not be told to go jump in a lake. Way back then, even for low-budget productions where the composers were paid little to score the projects, it was no easy feat for a composer to retain any publishing rights. Nine times out of ten, he would have to assign those rights to a larger publishing entity and have to settle for his writer's share of royalties and other potential income.


According to an issue of "The Cue Sheet" (the journal of The Society For The Preservation Of Film Music), which had a tribute to Arthur Lange, Gilbert was taught the copyright law in order to own the publishing rights to his music. This includes the music that was taken from other film scores on "The Adventures Of Superman" and of course, the cues previously used in other feature films used in "The Rifleman", some of which were from the Mutel Music Library and besides Gilbert, were composed by Rudy Schager, Joseph Mullendore, Herbert Taylor, Richard Mohaupt, Jack Schaindlin. The "The Adventures Of Superman" theme was said to have composed by Leon Klatzkin, though it's not known if he composed the whole theme, and was published by Bourne.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2022 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

also on disc 1:

The Naked Hills (1956)
1-26 Love in a Laundry
1-27 Wilkins Clips Tracy
1-28 Jimmo Dies
1-29 Drunkard's Walk
1-30 Monday Rejected
1-31 You Have a Baby?
1-32 Tracy, Please Come Home
1-33 End Title (The Naked Hills)


Hey, thanks!

See? It's a veritable cornucopia of music sources.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2022 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

"According to an issue of "The Cue Sheet" (the journal of The Society For The Preservation Of Film Music), which had a tribute to Arthur Lange, Gilbert was taught the copyright law in order to own the publishing rights to his music. This includes the music that was taken from other film scores on "The Adventures Of Superman" and of course, the cues previously used in other feature films used in "The Rifleman", some of which were from the Mutel Music Library and besides Gilbert, were composed by Rudy Schager, Joseph Mullendore, Herbert Taylor, Richard Mohaupt, Jack Schaindlin. The "The Adventures Of Superman" theme was said to have composed by Leon Klatzkin, though it's not known if he composed the whole theme, and was published by Bourne."

That's fine that he understood copyright, but that has nothing to do with whether you can GET the copyright. Almost all film composers understand copyright and how important it is, but they are simply not hired by a company that will allow them to KEEP the copyright. In fact, if they demanded they keep the copyright, most of the time they would be told to take a hike and they'll hire another composer.

There's a reason that 95% (or more) of film music is NOT published by the composers, and that is because production companies and their publishing arms simply won't allow a composer to retain his publishing rights. Certainly, it was good that Gilbert understood rights and how to file his copyrights, but the reason he was able to keep those rights was because he happened to be in a situation where his "bosses" allowed him to keep them.

But it should be noted that Gilbert doesn't own the copyrights on all of his music -- much of it is owned by the publishing companies who had connections with the production companies who made the films and TV shows.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2022 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

According to an issue of "The Cue Sheet" (the journal of The Society For The Preservation Of Film Music), which had a tribute to Arthur Lange, Gilbert was taught the copyright law in order to own the publishing rights to his music. This includes the music that was taken from other film scores on "The Adventures Of Superman" and of course, the cues previously used in other feature films used in "The Rifleman", some of which were from the Mutel Music Library and besides Gilbert, were composed by Rudy Schager, Joseph Mullendore, Herbert Taylor, Richard Mohaupt, Jack Schaindlin. The "The Adventures Of Superman" theme was said to have composed by Leon Klatzkin, though it's not known if he composed the whole theme, and was published by Bourne.

Some of the cues used for the first season of "The Adventures of Superman" were taken from the old B pictures "Open Secret" with music by Herschel Burke Gilbert and "The Guilty" by Rudy Schrager. I recently watched both movies and the MUTEL cues can be heard there.

But many of the MUTEL Superman cues are taken from a different unidentified source. Surprisingly some of the them contain the famous Adventures of Superman main title theme. So were these pieces re-arranged from an old B-Movie and a clever arranger added that theme to the existing music? Or was that theme even part of an old score? Since this score is not identified it was possibly taken from an old european B movie? It's known that MUTEL's library was recorded in Europe.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2022 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Some of the cues used for the first season of "The Adventures of Superman" were taken from the old B pictures "Open Secret" with music by Herschel Burke Gilbert and "The Guilty" by Rudy Schrager. I recently watched both movies and the MUTEL cues can be heard there.

But many of the MUTEL Superman cues are taken from a different unidentified source. Surprisingly some of the them contain the famous Adventures of Superman main title theme. So were these pieces re-arranged from an old B-Movie and a clever arranger added that theme to the existing music? Or was that theme even part of an old score? Since this score is not identified it was possibly taken from an old european B movie? It's known that MUTEL's library was recorded in Europe.


My Monstrous Movie Music label released the complete score from OPEN SECRET (see below) and also included some other tracks from the MUTEL library related to them. There are some cues in OPEN SECRET that have similar "Superman" themes that weren't used in the superhero show.

As far as I know, no library pieces include the SUPERMAN "Main Title." Jon Burlingame and I have been discussing where that particular piece came from for the past 25 years, and Jon has made great headway on it. My friend Irving Gertz was music director on the show for the second and third seasons, and he had no idea where it came from.

https://www.mmmrecordings.com/MMM/Project_Moon_Base/project_moon_base.html

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2022 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

"According to an issue of "The Cue Sheet" (the journal of The Society For The Preservation Of Film Music), which had a tribute to Arthur Lange, Gilbert was taught the copyright law in order to own the publishing rights to his music. This includes the music that was taken from other film scores on "The Adventures Of Superman" and of course, the cues previously used in other feature films used in "The Rifleman", some of which were from the Mutel Music Library and besides Gilbert, were composed by Rudy Schager, Joseph Mullendore, Herbert Taylor, Richard Mohaupt, Jack Schaindlin. The "The Adventures Of Superman" theme was said to have composed by Leon Klatzkin, though it's not known if he composed the whole theme, and was published by Bourne."

That's fine that he understood copyright, but that has nothing to do with whether you can GET the copyright. Almost all film composers understand copyright and how important it is, but they are simply not hired by a company that will allow them to KEEP the copyright. In fact, if they demanded they keep the copyright, most of the time they would be told to take a hike and they'll hire another composer.

There's a reason that 95% (or more) of film music is NOT published by the composers, and that is because production companies and their publishing arms simply won't allow a composer to retain his publishing rights. Certainly, it was good that Gilbert understood rights and how to file his copyrights, but the reason he was able to keep those rights was because he happened to be in a situation where his "bosses" allowed him to keep them.

But it should be noted that Gilbert doesn't own the copyrights on all of his music -- much of it is owned by the publishing companies who had connections with the production companies who made the films and TV shows.


Unless it was published by John Paul Music, which was Gilbert's music publishing company, which owns the theme to "The Rifleman" (the name was made up of Gilbert's two sons).

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2022 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

My Monstrous Movie Music label released the complete score from OPEN SECRET (see below) and also included some other tracks from the MUTEL library related to them. There are some cues in OPEN SECRET that have similar "Superman" themes that weren't used in the superhero show.

As far as I know, no library pieces include the SUPERMAN "Main Title." Jon Burlingame and I have been discussing where that particular piece came from for the past 25 years, and Jon has made great headway on it. My friend Irving Gertz was music director on the show for the second and third seasons, and he had no idea where it came from.


The Superman theme can be heard in a number of tracks on the Varese CD with music used in the first season. Years ago I wrote down the tracks:
4) 0:41
9) 0:19
12) 1:32
19) 2:13
21) 1:05
33) 1:25
34) 1:14

The Superman theme is not used in cues coming from Open Secret. Who knows which old B-movie scores they looted for this.

Btw your Open Secret CD is one of my favorite MMM releases! smile

 
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