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 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

The world as we know it with buying archival expanded CDs of older tiles where labels put thousands and thousands of dollars into will stop sooner than later. There is no NEXT generation of dedicated film music collectors like us. Not in the numbers that would sustain the expense of putting out expensive expanded scores. It's sad and unfortunate on a variety of levels. frown


... or is it smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The world as we know it with buying archival expanded CDs of older tiles where labels put thousands and thousands of dollars into will stop sooner than later. There is no NEXT generation of dedicated film music collectors like us. Not in the numbers that would sustain the expense of putting out expensive expanded scores. It's sad and unfortunate on a variety of levels. frown

That's a pretty broad statement, not just pertaining to Varese. Are you basing this on sales alone, or some dire news like an impending asteroid impact?

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

That's a pretty broad statement, not just pertaining to Varese. Are you basing this on sales alone, or some dire news like an impending asteroid impact?

Well, if it is an asteroid, then I won't waisting any time worrying about the rest.

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

What brought this on, Chicken Little?

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


My mailman and maybe my husband will be happy.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   mckissid59   (Member)

Please define older. What time frame are we talking about? Prior to 1960?

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

All based on a hunch...

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I understand where you are coming from, Peter.
The discouragement is a very real thing--not a figment of imagination.

But I believe that art appreciation is a cyclical thing and nothing ever really goes away for good.
The love of good music married to good cinema was there before we were born and it will endure long after we are gone.
The important thing is that you and your company and all the others like you have done your part in preserving something that adds immeasurably to the souls of each and everyone here.

There may be a time soon where it seems to be gone for good, but I also believe in the very real human quality of resiliency and curiosity.
The music will always be there just waiting to be rediscovered.

(I get really corny about this sort of thing, so, my apologies if anyone thinks I've gone WAY into the red on the cheese-meter.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

Then the labels can focus on putting out all those LPs that haven't made it to CD yet.

In between re-re-re-reissues of previous expanded editions.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I saw this coming quite some time ago. There are fewer customers, fewer scores they really want to buy—yet costs go up. I honestly don't know what will happen. I'm glad I released as many crazy titles as I did when there was still enough of a market to recover costs...Eye of the Devil, anyone?

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

This just mirrors what i said about italian western fans and italian music collectors.
We are a dying breed and thats a fact. Same as collectors of "golden and silver age"
You can see that in the threads about 50s 60s 70s scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

I saw this coming quite some time ago. There are fewer customers, fewer scores they really want to buy—yet costs go up. I honestly don't know what will happen. I'm glad I released as many crazy titles as I did when there was still enough of a market to recover costs...Eye of the Devil, anyone?

Lukas


Lukas, I never would have heard of that film or the composer had you not issued the score and I thank you for it.

Those were the days ...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

I think there will always be a market (however small) for movie soundtracks. But if you're talking about the "Golden Age" composers and scores I agree. Everyone seems gaga over 1980s scores and John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith are musical "gods". No one seems interested in Alfred Newman, Franz Waxman, Dimitri Tiomkin, Bronislau Kaper, Hugo Friedhofer etc. anymore. Hell, even at the present time, a great Golden age composer like Herbert Stothart can't get arrested in the soundtrack market.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I think there will always be a market (however small) for movie soundtracks. But if you're talking about the "Golden Age" composers and scores I agree. Everyone seems gaga over 1980s scores and John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith are musical "gods". No one seems interested in Alfred Newman, Franz Waxman, Dimitri Tiomkin, Bronislau Kaper, Hugo Friedhofer etc. anymore. Hell, even at the present time, a great Golden age composer like Herbert Stothart can't get arrested in the soundtrack market.

I'm inclined to agree with driving ... and Lukas ... and others ... that this market must come to an end. But my view is far more simplistic ... all (at least, a good proportion) of the great scores have been released, some several times, and whilst the odd one or two will surface, none of the labels can sustain a business on such limited releases.

This week we see the announcement of the release of Elmer Bernstein's The Sons of Katie Elder (1965) ... score as opposed to album rerecording. Wonderful news and yet the source is not the master tapes but the mono music stem ... whatever that is ... which on releases from several years ago was the fall-back for the odd bit of music not available due to deterioration of soundtrack tapes.

As I've stated numerous times, I've been a film score fan for most of my life, having started collecting in the early 1970s. I still buy the odd score (I've recently purchased the FSM Bronislau Kaper collection and William Stromberg's recordings of Victor Young's and Alfred Deutsch's scores, etc.) but new stuff: almost nothing. I bought Thomas Newman's two JB007 scores because they are just that ... not because they're any good. Quite the opposite, they've increased the urge for me to move away from film scores.

As for the musical "gods" mentioned above, I still play the odd score by each of these Masters ... but I often wonder why I've bothered. Last evening I played Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom for the first time in over two years ... what a bore, I longed for it to end. Yes, I know I can/could stop the play but I do try to play out all chosen recordings (but that's another topic).

For years I spent large sums of available funds on buying soundtrack music (often replacing earlier releases) but the last few years this has all but ceased. Sorry, but yes, I do agree this genre of music has a limited future.

On a positive note: I did think the genre had died in the late 1970s when the only scores available were pop-song albums. Happily we've witnessed a fantastic revival but since a large part of that has been due to the specialist labels releasing older scores this may not be feasible this time.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

The world as we know it with buying archival expanded CDs of older tiles where labels put thousands and thousands of dollars into will stop sooner than later. There is no NEXT generation of dedicated film music collectors like us. Not in the numbers that would sustain the expense of putting out expensive expanded scores. It's sad and unfortunate on a variety of levels. frown

But...but...Vinyl is making a comeback. There's always a market for a niche market.

The problem is...film scores are just background noise now. I know that's a generalisation but there has been a shift from a leitmotiv approach to a "mood" approach. Which is disappointing given the wealth of Super Hero (Comic Book) movies that have been released. So much opportunity to provide a distinct theme for a franchise...but it has been lost. What is Iron Man's theme? What s Thor's theme? What is Superman's theme? There has been so much opportunity and so much talent that has been wasted (this is my opinion of course).

Imagine the comic book movies we get now if they had the scores of the Silver age.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   kindacute   (Member)

People are subtly encouraged to lose or dismiss their sense of what's right. And they will fight you to defend their idea of "(illegal) downloading isn't stealing" and "they're not paying 15 bucks for that" or "do you know that the artist only gets a tiny bit of the price, so in fact I'm fighting the system!". So you cut a big chunk of buyers out.

More and more we have awful soundtracks in recent movies that may work in a muscular way but they're as heartless as they can be and I think that studios encourage that kind of soundtrack so they can edit the movie to death until the very same day of theatrical release without having to worry about tweaking and fitting the soundtrack into the "moving pictures". So soundtracks are now mostly bland if something. No one cares about them. So you take another big chunk of buyers out.

Money is tight because it's made to flow "upwards" now more than ever. So maybe you can buy only a few soundtracks if any. Take another big chunk of buyers out.

Reality tv. Rotten brains. So... you have a few left.

Culture is becoming more of a cult thing than a mainstream experience.

Good side of it: Nothing has changed. Only now you are aware of what's happening. But life is a cicle. "It can't rain all the time".

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Since most new scores today are available as downloads, it's the restoration work and locating of/dealing with disinterested studios that must be a real pain and problem in trying to capture or release the more worthy stuff from yesteryear.
Only to be met with low sales, meh attitudes or gripes about 2 seconds of distortion near the lower back end.
I will continue to enjoy whatever is still left to come from the likes of La La, Intrada, Quartet and Kritzer while the lights are still on.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

One key consideration is that this market isn't just US only. With costs, Brexit affecting exchange rates (and therefore? massive custom charges) and the postage increase I have reluctantly not bought about five or six releases that I would have done a year ago.

Ebay, low price and back catalogue are now getting my money.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

What's next? A planet of apes?

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I still say it's the economy stupid.

 
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