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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      Non-Film Score Discussion: The Tim Buckley Thread     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Apr 1, 2017 - 3:15 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Didn't want to take the Monkees thread off-topic, so this is a safe space for Jim Phelps, Onya Birri, and anyone else to discuss Tim Buckley. Jim, I got onto my Tim Buckley kick around the same time as you, 1992-95. Tim covered an awful lot of styles in a few short years. I tend to go for the period including Happy/Sad, Blue Afternoon, and Lorca. The sublime double live CD Dream Letter covers this period nicely.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2017 - 3:33 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) I started out with "Sefronia" in 1990. During that time in my music-listening evolution, I was hesitant to explore longer songs. I didn't care for the songs on "Sefronia" but I heard enough in Tim's singing and the emotion he put across to explore more. Enter the "Dream Letter" live album. July 1, 1991 to be exact. From the opening notes of "Buzzin' Fly" I was hooked. It was one of those epiphanous moments where everythng stood still and everything about that moment was forever remembered. I was stone cold sober, too. I loved the Happy Sad/Blue Afternoon period and all that water imagery in his lyrics. Tim's lyrics were so deceptively simple yet they spoke volumes to me. "The River" blew my mind and is still among my favorite Tim Buckley songs. "Starsailor" was a special order CD from a Sam Goody store in a local mall. It took them eight weeks to get me a copy. When I listened to it that first time, I was positvely repulsed by it. I sold it immediately, but after hearing and loving "Lorca", I went back to the used CD store where I had sold it eight months before where it remained untouched--and bought it again. The second time was the charm. Starsailor is a masterwork--it just took me a bit longer to "get" it. I can only imagine how this scalded the hippie generation in 1971--and I thought film music fans were musically conservative! I was later introduced to a lady who knew Tim during his New York days and who was part of an all-female rock band. She generously gave me about five pounds of Tim Buckley articles--vintage interviews, musc union pay sheets, and much more. It was like a time machne to the 1965-75 era. More to come...I'm sure this thread will be deluged by the dozens of Tim Buckley fans who also happen to adore film music.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2017 - 3:41 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Tim's lyrics were so deceptively simple yet they spoke volumes to me. What do you think of Larry Beckett's lyrics for early Tim Buckley songs? They come off a tad bit precious to me, as to some of Paul Simon's pre-Bookends lyrics, but Tim obviously thought a great deal of him.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2017 - 3:50 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Tim's lyrics were so deceptively simple yet they spoke volumes to me. What do you think of Larry Beckett's lyrics for early Tim Buckley songs? They come off a tad bit precious to me, as to some of Paul Simon's pre-Bookends lyrics, but Tim obviously thought a great deal of him. I like them okay, I guess. I prefer the personal lyrics Tim contributed to things like "I Never Asked to be Your Mountain" to the "young people makng a grand statement" stuff on Goodbye and Hello's title track. Beckett returns for STARSAILOR, and his lyrics fare much better there, though it always sounded like Tim's poetic voice to me. I adore the sweet innocence of the debut album, Beckett's lyrics included. Tim certainly matured in a mutha effin' hurry by Happy Sad, didn't he? The voice, the lyrics, the Miles Davis influence...he was just 21 then. When I think of what I was like at 21, it makes me curdle with embarrassment.    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 3:40 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Gee, I thought this topic would be overwhelmed with enthusiastic replies by now. It's a good thing I didn't bet with my emotions as my guide. Maybe Tim Buckley's music is too sensual, too powerful for the average FSMer. Yeah. It probably is. A (beautiful) woman I knew at an independent record store in the early '90s absolutely despised Tim Buckley's music, but still conceded he was a genius. She probably didn't even think she was beautiful. Oh well, I'll continue the appreciation in this here safe space--alone, if need be. "Chase the Blues Away" is another Buckley masterwork:    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 4:04 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Backtracking to Buckley's debut album, recorded when The Genius was 19 years old. There is much to find and enjoy. One of these is the beautiful "Song for Janie." His first album is often overlooked, but I've always seen it as a masterpiece, and wonder what people would think of it had it been Buckley's only album. I love it. Many hardcore Buckley fans like it, too, but I always thought they looked past it to the masterpieces to come. The songs are quick and concise, and there is the sense that they tore through the recording of these songs. I know Tim has been compliemntary towards Jac Holzman's Elektra Records, and reminisced fondly about his time there.    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 8:48 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I read that "Goodbye and Hello," his second album, generally flopped. There is a story that Tim was driving a cab at the time and would pass billboard signs for the album during his fares. Here is a a favorite from that album:    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 8:59 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) "Everywhere there's fear..." Kind of like the FSM Boarde. Yes, Phantasmagoria is outstanding. Whenever I hear that studio version, I think of the instrumental from the Rhino Handmade album. Stripped of its lyrics, the song takes on an entirely new life and it's just so damned beautiful. Either that, or maybe I just listened to the live version from "Dream Letter" too often and didn't appreciate the G&H version. I thought G&H was Tim at his commercial peak[sic] and that Tim was cab driving after Starsailor, hence the songs from Greetings from L.A. It's more than possible that I'm misremembering the Buckley chronology. Starsailor is a work of art. It goes beyond just mere songs. The very sound it makes is art. I didn't think so at first, though. LOL    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 9:04 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Yes, Phantasmagoria is outstanding. Whenever I hear that studio version, I think of the instrumental from the Rhino Handmade album. Stripped of its lyrics, the song takes on an entirely new life and it's just so damned beautiful. There is a track from "Spartacus" called "Oysters and Snails," and every time I hear it, I expect Marty Balin to start singing. It would fit perfectly on "Surrealistic Pillow." I thought G&H was Tim at his commercial peak[sic] and that Tim was cab driving after Starsailor, hence the songs from Greetings from L.A. It's more than possible that I'm misremembering the Buckley chronology. I may be conflating two stories. You are likely correct.    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 9:11 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Ever go to the "Egg and You" diner in Fort Lauderdale? It's just south of the Mai-Kai on the west side of US-1. Anyway, there used to be an organ in the corner of the back part of the restaurant. Every time I would sit down for lunch in the '90s and eat the free pickles they'd give you in that 1970s avocado Tupperware container, I would think how great it would be if someone "sat in" at the organ and start playing the opening notes and vocals of "Lorca":    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 10:37 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Ever go to the "Egg and You" diner in Fort Lauderdale? No, but we've passed it. Is it worth going to? Decent breakfast?    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 4:46 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) I knew my Lorca anecdote would slay the room. It always does. Unlike Starsailor, I took to the Lorca album straight away. It's been many years since I've been. Greasiest steak and eggs breakfast in three counties.    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 4:49 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I knew my Lorca anecdote would slay the room. It always does. Unlike Starsailor, I took to the Lorca album straight away. I love Lorca!    Posted:   Apr 2, 2017 - 5:12 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) I knew my Lorca anecdote would slay the room. It always does. Unlike Starsailor, I took to the Lorca album straight away. I love Lorca! The whole album is tops--"Driftin' and the other side two tracks were live tracks--Driftin' is still my favorite--my second fave Buckley song, in fact.    Posted:   Apr 5, 2017 - 6:46 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Now, to address the avant-garde masterpiece and imo Tim Buckley's shining hour as an artist--STARSAILOR. I really haven't met a Buckley fan who didn't love it, but then I've only met five diehard fans of his in my life. I'll wager everyone else hates this album. "Monterey"    Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 7:41 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Yes, yes, I'll get to everyone's replies just as soon as I start on Tim's "funk/r&b" period. "Get on Top" (not my favorite--that would be "Make it Right") should have been a big hit in 1972 America, but it was not.    Posted:   Apr 7, 2017 - 12:54 PM     By:   John McMasters   (Member) Tim Buckley made a huge impact on my life starting with his very first album on Elektra. I was only 13 when I plucked his debut out of a record bin and purchased it. I clearly remember putting it on my family's old RCA stereo console and being transported by his voice and lyrics. This guy was unique. In 1967, "Goodbye and Hello" transfixed me with a swirling mix of folk, angst-ridden ballads, and free falling poetic ruminations on the tragic beauty of life. "Happy Sad" seemed perfect to me as I entered my sixteenth year and it seemed the world was falling apart around me. "Blue Afternoon" spent months on constant rotation in my bedroom -- as I tried to reconcile a midwestern perspective with the world in autopsy mode on the evening news. "Lorca" seemed like a missive sent directly to my soul from another realm. "Starsailor" struck me then and now as a masterpiece -- voice, lyrics, form, and content fused into a beautiful and sparkling objet d'art -- it seemed to me to have an almost physical, sculptural, presence. The last three albums accompanied me to university -- and I remember getting the horrible news when he passed. It felt like an inner compass, some guiding light in my soul, had disappeared. So, yes, Tim Buckley. The "Tim Buckley Live in London 1968" CD set is the one I turn to these days when I need to experience his genius.    Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 4:31 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Why, John McMasters! I've seen your posts here over the years, but I don't believe we have ever interacted on this forum. It's a pleasant (street) surprise to learn of the existence of another Tim fan. I agree with your assessment of Starsailor (and have posted essentially the same thing earlier, though without your eloquence). Yes, the album goes beyond just being a series of smokin' songs and performance. It's an album I wouldn't dream of listening to piecemeal, though it is necessary to select certain tracks for the uninitiated. Tim Buckley's music has meant as much to me as very few others have. I've been listening to it for over half my life now. FSM's Tim Buckley fans. We are three.    Posted:   Apr 8, 2017 - 12:35 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Sefronia, Buckley's second-to-last album, featured a few cover songs, but one of the best of his original material was the bluesy "Honey Man", the best version of which was performed live on the UK TV series "Old Grey Whistle Test." This live-in-studio performance crushes the version heard on Sefronia.    Posted:   Apr 14, 2017 - 5:28 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) Before oblivion carries this thread on its shoulder, I thought it best to finish up the song-sample-from-each-album motif I've done in this thread. Look at the Fool, Tim Buckley's final album, reeks of "bargain bin bridesmaid", though to be fair, I do like the "dirty groove Watergate hangover and urban blight" vibe the album has always given me. The album is just too damned slickly produced and sleazily catchy for me to think of Look at the Fool as "bad", especially since snippets of the songs' lyrics and musical grooves have stayed with me for half my (miserable) existence. 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