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 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



THIS is the definitive difference between a PRO and all the pretentious Wanna-Bees who never will ...







 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

It's funny that no one has added a comment yet.
I think it's probably for the same reason that I took so long to, myself.
And that is, clearly NO ONE can follow this guy.

No matter how cool we might think we are, it'll just never be Ellison Cool.

And this is an idea I've tried to drill into my son's head for I don't know how many years.
The first thing a job teaches us is to get paid for the job.
If you show someone that you place no value in your own work, no one else will either.

(I still want Ellison to team up with Nick Meyer and give us one last great Star Trek movie.)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)



He surely told Neumeier and Miner that they deserved to be nuked until they glowed without even finishing RoboCop.

Make of that what you will.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Well, he's not everyone's favorite curmudgeon. There's a pretty funny riff in Mst3k movie MITCHELL where an extra in a scene (who looks like Ellison) is getting arrested.
"Look, they're arresting Harlan Ellison!"
"Good."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money."
-- Dr. Samuel Johnson

***

"Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for the love of it, then you do it for a few friends, and finally you do it for money."
-- Moliere

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2017 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Sadly, he's disappeared now as he's gotten quite elderly. I'm always expecting an R.I.P. announcement these days.

Even though I've always liked him when he's commenting on things, whenever I've read his fiction -- can't say I liked it much.

One minor thing I did learn from him, it's not "Have your cake and eat it too" because of course if you have your cake, you're able to eat it -- it's "Eat your cake and have it too." Now, I catch people making that mistake all the time.

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2017 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Well, he's not everyone's favorite curmudgeon. There's a pretty funny riff in Mst3k movie MITCHELL where an extra in a scene (who looks like Ellison) is getting arrested.
"Look, they're arresting Harlan Ellison!"
"Good."


Just one more reason why Mitchell is my favorite espisode of MST3K.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2017 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Much obliged, Pres:



Messrs. Johnson and Moliere kinda agree, no? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2017 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I actually quite liked some of his writing back in the day, but I have to say I think Ellison as a person comes across as a prize prick of the first magniude.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2017 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)



He surely told Neumeier and Miner that they deserved to be nuked until they glowed without even finishing RoboCop.



Something about that photo of Ellison above reminds me of a much older William Windom reenacting his death scene in the shuttlecraft as Matt Decker from "The Doomsday Machine".

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

He's only half right.

Every writer had to work his way there, and pro bono is not uncommon. What if a writer who surpassed Ellison was starting out? He'd not expect to be paid Ellison's rates, but if his work was better, he'd get the exposure and be paid better next time. And anyhow, the precise situations he's addressing here are buyouts. If percentage agreements are in place then ongoing royalties.

Many people involved in film work sign contracts that their work can be used for the project's publicity.

Yes, everyone should be paid, but his strategy would preclude new writers getting work, because who'd take the risk and hire them when they are untried, yet cost the same as the old established?


He climbs the ladder, then pulls it up and burns it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Yes and no.

What you observe is undoubtedly accurate as far as it goes.

Our take on his stance is he's coming from a lifetime of dealing with Hollyweirdos who are two-legged vampires attempting to drain as much and pay as little as possible no matter what stage of their career they're in or status they've achieved [ Paul Newman related a tale late in life of a company refusing to pay him what they'd agreed to but still expected him to beam aboard based on their good will and intentions - and this was no fly-by-night outfit.

No wonder Der Great Scot Connery rightfully became the bane of film studios because he'd justifiably sue 'em inna second ].

Mind yu, we've ALL (rather gratefully earlier on) succumbed to seizing whatever opportunities presented themselves when first starting out.

After awhile, tho - and we believe this was the thrust of his diatribe - it does become something of an insult not simply from an integrity standpoint but just professional respect.

[ About a year ago, a playwright we'd helped typing some of her projects - even directing one of her one-acts - balked and got insulted when she wanted to pay us less than the rate we'd established (around our legal-secretary arena of $20 per page, which she could well afford). But suddenly she starts playing the poor pauper when she's riding around in cabs and living inna quite luxurious apartment - gag us with a matrix spoon. Notta chance.

Result? She left inna huff, spread the word whatta a mercenary we were. How DAST us do this?! ].

Now, understand: we'll do a professional favor quick as anyone but don't think we're gonna make a habit out of it.

These are the types we feel Mr. Ellison - whatever his personal temperament which is rather irrelevant vis-a-vis what he's really talking about - meant.

Tho we could be royally wrong about THAT, too.

smile Has been known to happen wink ...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Where's a good place to start reading Ellison? What's his good stuff? Any recommendations? I know I must have seen a show or two he's written in the past but never read anything hes actually written.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I recommend these two collections of short stories to start:

The Beast That Shouted Love at the Heart of the World

I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

But in some ways the best thing he ever did was editing Dangerous Visions and Again, Dangerous Visions - collections of new "speculative fiction" (his preferred term) stories from a very wide range of authors in the 1960s and 1970s that did a lot to pave the way for the many threads of sf even today.

Weirdly though, the stories I remember best of Ellison's are not in these two collections: Hitler Painted Roses (in the collection Strange Wine), and One Life, Furnished in Early Poverty (in Approaching Oblivion). I guess I'm saying any collection has strong stories. I just think of the first two as seminal, I guess.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



We'd recommend his two teevee classics, first the above from "The Outer Limits"



And then, arguably,



THE most famous



"Star Trek" ep of all:

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


"No wonder Der Great Scot Connery rightfully became the bane of film studios because he'd justifiably sue 'em inna second "

Poor Sean. He had the misfortune of hooking up with two of the worst cheapskates in Hollywood: Broccoli & Saltzman (John Barry is still waiting to be paid for DR. NO!)


"They would play Bond themselves to save money"
-Sean Connery

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Ta for the recommendations Sean and Gordon, I'll check his stuff out.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)





Never understood all the fuss about either of them. "Demon with the glass hand" is like one of those "Tales from the unexpected" in that the punch line was not worth the sitting through a cheap 1950s drive in package deal film.

"City on the edge of forever" I like because I love those sixties productions set in the thirties. That 30s with 60s look is fascinating.
As a story it's entertaining but I certainly don't find it the world beater it now is supposed to be.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Everyone knows that Ellison's scripts were always bastardized by the networks and producers, right? Don't blame him for the end result.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

He always seemed inexplicably smug, to me. Especially for someone who wrote the horrendous screenplay for the film, THE OSCAR.

 
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