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 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The In Memorium segment for this year's Oscars was done about as well as any I've seen. Good straight-on photos of everyone, all clearly identified by profession. No oblique camera angles so that they can show the singer in the same shot. No fancy borders, curlicues, or pixilation of the photos. A few well-selected sound bites. The song, while not as good as a pure orchestral piece, was unobtrusive. And no audience applause until the end.

I didn't notice any glaring omissions, except for actors who were primarily television stars such as Mike Connors, Robert Vaughn, Steven Hill, William Schallert, and Barbara Hale. Mary Tyler Moore was primarily a television star, but she was also an Oscar-nominee, and deserved inclusion on that basis alone. Patty Duke was also best known for a single TV role, but was an Oscar winner.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I just recalled that Robert Vaughn was an Oscar-nominee too, for THE YOUNG PHILADELPHIANS. So if Mary Tyler Moore made the cut because of her nomination, so too should have Vaughn.

It's been pointed out that costume and production designer Janet Patterson, who was featured in the segment, was mistakenly identified via a photo of film producer Jan Chapman, who is still alive.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I just recalled that Robert Vaughn was an Oscar-nominee too, for THE YOUNG PHILADELPHIANS. So if Mary Tyler Moore made the cut because of her nomination, so too should have Vaughn.

It's been pointed out that costume and production designer Janet Patterson, who was featured in the segment, was mistakenly identified via a photo of film producer Jan Chapman, who is still alive.


I didn't notice the omission of Vaughn. Now that I have, I'm mad. I hate the Oscars.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sara-bareilles-s-memoriam-oscars-2017-performance-watch-980211

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

The omission of Robert Vaughn is a shame !!!!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The omission of Robert Vaughn is a shame !!!!!!!!


I have to agree. Did Bill Nunn or Prince (who made only three films) mean more to Hollywood than Robert Vaughn?

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Mark Evanier wrote a nice piece on his blog about this: http://www.newsfromme.com/2017/02/27/the-morning-after-12/. He lists a lot of people some say weren't included, like Charmian Carr and Alan Young. (I don't watch the Oscars so I don't know, so what am I even doing here?!)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

The omission of Robert Vaughn is a shame !!!!!!!!


I have to agree. Did Bill Nunn or Prince (who made only three films) mean more to Hollywood than Robert Vaughn?


There's no need to belittle anyone elses inclusion, they deserved their mention. But that the last man standing of the Magnificent Seven didn't get honoured was shameful.

Surely it isn't an oversight? Why didn't Robert Vaughan get included?

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Surely it isn't an oversight? Why didn't Robert Vaughan get included?

They might've considered him more of a TV star. Patrick McGoohan got overlooked in 2009 as well, despite being in big films like Escape From Alcatraz, Ice Station Zebra and Braveheart

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The omission of Robert Vaughn is a shame !!!!!!!!


I have to agree. Did Bill Nunn or Prince (who made only three films) mean more to Hollywood than Robert Vaughn?


There's no need to belittle anyone elses inclusion, they deserved their mention. But that the last man standing of the Magnificent Seven didn't get honoured was shameful.



Since every death cannot be mentioned, choices must be made. I don't think it's belittling anyone to suggest that the criteria for selection as to who gets mentioned and who doesn't are either defective or nonexistent. And the only way to suss out those criteria is to compare who gets selected and who doesn't, and weigh their relative merits. Thus:

Prince - a film actor and musician who made 3 films and won an Oscar for Best Song Score.
Vaughn - a film and television actor who made more than 40 films and was nominated for an Oscar

Under what criteria is Prince honored with a mention by the Academy and Vaughn is not?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)



Under what criteria is Prince honored with a mention by the Academy and Vaughn is not?


Political Correctness.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think the omission of Robert Vaughn is as big a cock-up as the snafu at the end.

But it's a but it's a bunch of rich lovies slapping themselves on the back, I don't have the stomach to watch it anymore.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I don't have the stomach to watch it anymore.

Either do I, and I'm sorry I bothered this year. Although I didn't watch every minute of it, I still feel as if I sullied myself by doing so.

"The notion of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences (AMPAS) began with Louis B. Mayer, head of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM). He said he wanted to create an organization that would mediate labor disputes without unions[4] and improve the industry's image."

That's from Wikipedia, and interesting reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Motion_Picture_Arts_and_Sciences

To a large extent -- in fact, a very large extent -- the Oscars are nothing more than a silly pomposity. The idea -- unfortunately, a part of the many myths in our culture -- that the winning of or even the nomination of an Oscar award is a true and reliable indicator of artistic value and lasting significance is one of the great idiocies of the modern world.

I take heart though that the ratings this year were among the lowest the telecast has ever had. The industry of motion picture theatrical exhibition is dying and I look forward to a day when the Oscars will be no more.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So do I understand correctly that Prince got a shout-out?
Did they put up a shot of Bowie too?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

Well Bowie died in January last year, so probably was in the memorium section last year. Not sure though, as I never watch this farce

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Well Bowie died in January last year, so probably was in the memorium section last year. Not sure though, as I never watch this farce


After a quick look, I see that your hunch is correct.
(I guess I could have looked first before asking.)
Bowie was, indeed, included in last year's show.
Like you, I don't watch this silliness either.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I don't have the stomach to watch it anymore.

Either do I, and I'm sorry I bothered this year. Although I didn't watch every minute of it, I still feel as if I sullied myself by doing so.

"The notion of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences (AMPAS) began with Louis B. Mayer, head of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM). He said he wanted to create an organization that would mediate labor disputes without unions[4] and improve the industry's image."

That's from Wikipedia, and interesting reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Motion_Picture_Arts_and_Sciences

To a large extent -- in fact, a very large extent -- the Oscars are nothing more than a silly pomposity. The idea -- unfortunately, a part of the many myths in our culture -- that the winning of or even the nomination of an Oscar award is a true and reliable indicator of artistic value and lasting significance is one of the great idiocies of the modern world.

I take heart though that the ratings this year were among the lowest the telecast has ever had. The industry of motion picture theatrical exhibition is dying and I look forward to a day when the Oscars will be no more.


Beautifully stated.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Under what criteria is Prince honored with a mention by the Academy and Vaughn is not?

Years ago, I met an editor who'd cut that year's "In Memoriam" segment (though he was not ultimately responsible for its content). He said, as we would all suspect, that there's no way to do one without omitting some people, and fans of those people are inevitably up-in-arms.

I said (and he agreed) that it's sort of like coming up with the invitation list for your wedding. You can't invite everybody, some people are obvious, but there will always be those on the fringe who are judgement calls. If you've ever made such a list, you know you're constantly saying "If I include x, don't I have to include y?" But ultimately, some are not included, and they're generally not so happy.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You can't invite everybody, some people are obvious, but there will always be those on the fringe who are judgement calls.


Vaughn should have been obvious.
It's Prince that was on the fringe--a musician that did a bit of acting.

But whatever. The Oscars are fairly retarded anyway (in my humble opinion).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

The Academy Rewards is like clickbait, like those goofy "Best" lists that TV Guide is forced to come up with every 5 years.

They could easily find extra time to remember who was significant in the Industry by stopping the unfunny corny chintzy scripted chatter when presenters come to the podium, and they can take time from the rambling host.

"Oprah? Uma!"

 
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