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Glad you concur mike. Well, Huey, we're waiting? A jumbled pointless mess, wasnt it? The concept of Euros being a manipulator and making guards and governor her bitches was novel enough, but the mess afterwards, moriarty bollocks, the rooms of tortuous choices, nah...and then they tried to disguise a turd with that upbeat ending of marys message and the rousing music. Nope, that dog dont hunt.
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This is a bloody awful thread.
As regards the show, which I've just watched, it's what it is, as Watson would say, neither more nor less, it's just TV, it won't save your life.
The premise that Holmes's 'sister' or locked up feminine side should be autistic, and turn evil and in need of earthing was actually quite good, however one might think it was executed. It's a damned sight less pretentious than 'The Prisoner' was, based on the same lab rats idea, and people rave about that.
But then that could be true of the half blokes on the planet these days I think. Undeveloped feeling.
Actually I like the idea that Holmes is a repressed 'feeling' type possessed by his thinking side. Ah, I can think of some passages by a great Swiss psychologist whose name isn't always welcome that this is probably taken from.
What I would say is, if the Aspergian daemonic penetrating intellects round here think they know who Aidabaida really is then I think they should put up or shut up. They seem to oscillate between doubting either his credibility or his humility. Then again, you're allowed to be less than perfect if you're really 17.
So you're either a lot of bullies or you're closing ranks against a better wind-up merchant than yourselves. Either way, it fits the current global zeitgeist of madness.
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Jan 17, 2017 - 9:10 AM
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Ron Pulliam
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This season, mercifully OVER, is an insult to the memory and works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The writers are just so very clever, aren't they, as they wink and nod at one another over a series of inexplicably forced and impossible scenarios.
The first episode was mercilessly grim and over-imagined about the death of Mary and John's ridiculous blaming of Sherlock when "SHE" threw herself into the path of a bullet meant for Sherlock.
With Mary dead, the entire second episode was filled with flashbacks of Mary. Mary, Mary, Mary.
And, finally, the sister had been introduced in the 2nd episode and became the impossibly nefarious creature who could "reprogram anyone in four minutes" to do her bidding. And lest we forget about Mary, she finished off the third episode with a series of observations recorded on a DVD-R.
A HUGE WASTE OF MY TIME and a major disappointment.
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It seems to me you guys are expecting this to be a certain sort of series, when it's really trying to do something else. Surely you don't think it should be judged on how 'probable' or 'possible' it could be! Sir Arthur never did!
The sister who can program everyone's thoughts, and is amoral and locked up is a straight metaphor for the undeveloped feminine aspect in very thinking types like Holmes. It turns destructive until 'she' is assimilated. She is Holmes' repressed feeling turned bad.
Now, this type of screenwriter doesn't give a hoot how likely the thing could play out in real life: they want to REPRESENT a little parable such that you find it if you dig just a wee bit.
It's easy to put Conan-Doyle on a pedestal, but, entertaining as his stories were, they hadn't much beyond the entertainment angle. The Holmes/Watson thinking/feeling juxtaposition is about all there is. Conan Doyle had his flaws ('the fairies episode, anyone?) and wasn't quite a genius, though talented. It's not Mount Sinai.
If you just want detective stories with no meaning, watch Miss Marple. THAT'S a waste of time.
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But the episode will be taken at face value, not solely as a psychological fantasy, and on that level it doesnt really work. I agree the episode was very psychological (eg, sister on the metaphoric plane) which suggested to me that perhaps the sister used Molly as a proxy when she made Sherlock say "I love you."
Yes, maybe, but y'know all drama is constructed to look plausible, but it's always illusion really. Most of Conan-Doyle's Holmes deductions just wouldn't work in real life, they're concocted to amuse. It's a wee bit like the old '60s Batman TV series, where the techniques to escape were absurd, but for spoof purposes.
It's only because we EXPECT it to be possible on an everyday level that we judge it on that basis. Some of these shows now are being built to push the envelope a little. Dr. Who is such, and it takes less flak.
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But the episode will be taken at face value, not solely as a psychological fantasy, and on that level it doesnt really work. I agree the episode was very psychological (eg, sister on the metaphoric plane) which suggested to me that perhaps the sister used Molly as a proxy when she made Sherlock say "I love you."
Yes, maybe, but y'know all drama is constructed to look plausible, but it's always illusion really. Most of Conan-Doyle's Holmes deductions just wouldn't work in real life, they're concocted to amuse. It's a wee bit like the old '60s Batman TV series, where the techniques to escape were absurd, but for spoof purposes.
This is a very good point that all drama is constructed to look plausible. Unfortunately, there were too many moments for me that shattered the illusion. Eurus' magic mind control powers was a major part, but there were others. That said, the show had plenty of good moments. As contrived as the various tests were that Sherlock, Watson, and Mycroft had to deal with, the execution of each scene worked well. The conversation with Molly was by far the best. But, for every scene that worked, there was a scene that didn't.
I agree that Doyle's Holmes makes some incredibly absurd deductions based on little information, but that is part of Sherlock Holmes' charm. Another charm of the Doyle stories is that for every seemingly impossible thing that is described, Holmes grounds it by giving a plausible sounding explanation to show why something that appears fantastic, actually isn't. Moffat and company did this already this series with the second episode where Toby Jones' character has everyone infused with a drug, and explains what the drug does, before revealing his deepest, darkest secrets. Does the drug he used actually exist? Probably not, but it doesn't matter. There was at least an explanation that passed muster. The sister being able to control everyone because she is genius among geniuses? That is too much. I wish they had shown her incredible intellect in a way that was more consistent with the world Sherlock has built. For example, have her observational abilities enable her to discover dark secrets about the people she interacts with and uses it against them.
It's only because we EXPECT it to be possible on an everyday level that we judge it on that basis. Some of these shows now are being built to push the envelope a little. Dr. Who is such, and it takes less flak.
I think it all depends on the world the show creates. Dr. Who gets away with it because there are many built in story tools enabling them to more or less do pretty much whatever they want. The Doctor, for example, has technology that is so advanced that it may as well be magic, including the sonic screwdriver, psychic paper, and most obviously, the T.A.R.D.I.S. itself. There are also innumerable alien species that can have whatever "superpower" the creators need to tell the story they want.
Sherlock, on the other hand, has built a more "realistic" world. If something seemingly out of the ordinary happens, it needs to be explained. That said, this is a Moffat show, and Moffat tends to favor having a "money shot" or "money moment" for the characters that lets them shine over a coherent plot. Many times he pulls the trick off. Sometimes he doesn't. Just as a simple example was the beginning of the episode. Sherlock and Watson have learned that Sherlock has a sister and that Mycroft knows about it. Instead of doing what any normal person would do, which is confront Mycroft, Sherlock instead executes a ridiculously complicated plan that would make Rube Goldberg proud to shake Mycroft into coming clean. From a logic standpoint it makes zero sense, but it is entertaining and enables Moffat to insert a seemingly killer clown.
This last episode wasn't a total loss, but it was ultimately a frustrating experience watching.
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Jan 19, 2017 - 8:37 AM
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Jehannum
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Huge disappointment with the finale, especially as episode 2 was so enjoyable.
The trouble with ramping up everything - cliffhangers, action, peril levels, supervillians etc. is that you get to a point where there's nowhere left to go. You need someone smarter than Sherlock. Now you need someone smarter than Mycroft. Now you need someone smarter than Newton.
Gatiss and Moffat clearly wanted to finish the series on a rollicking adventure. Fair enough. But because this was their primary goal they contrived one implausible set piece after another. This meant the episode was nothing more than a series of adrenaline jolts. There was no sense of substance or of permanent change. Every memory was false, every observation wrong, every certainty fallacious.
And I'm getting tired of Martin Freeman's silent, "moral" stare; the normal guy, the everyman who tries to make sense of it all. And rather than a menacing presence, Moriarty was just stupefyingly irritating, like the little kids you meet when online gaming.
Holmes and Watson refitting 221B Baker Street at the end as though nothing had happened seemed symbolic.
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watched the first two and really enjoyed them, A n improvement over the last two seasons.
I seem to most enjoy it when it is based on a Homes story I know very wee,
THATCHERS & DETECTIVE source material are most familiar to me and knowing PART of the mystery beforehand enhances the fun for me.
check it out!
b
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best music of the series!
is there an ost?
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4. The fight scene at the pool was unnecessary. I'm getting tired of hand to hand fights.
i agree about that.
Less action, please!
bro
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Finale reminded me of the last few eps of THE PRISONER and , of course, the Bond films.
In other words, they were not trying to be 'faithful' or realistic. Metaphoric is more like it>
On that lever it works, kinda.
But, overall it is pretty lackluster.
I did LOVE. LOVE LOVE that mythic ending
Great way to goo out. If they have gone out,
{ i fear BC will give up o the series to b a Marvel superhero. How sad is that>?]
bruce
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BC gave up on the series long before now El Bruco! Ha ha.
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