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 Posted:   Jan 1, 2017 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

You can't help but admire how "Sherlock" continues to thumb it's nose, grinning, at formula and cliche, daring to inject the silly into the serious, the dramatic into the comedic, the tragic into the lighthearted. There's no rule that cannot be broken in this universe, and no character who is safe. Once again, using a dream like phantasmagoria of slurred effects, symbolic imagery, and inventive cinematography, Mark Gattis and Steve Moffat have created something unique and gorgeous. I just finished watching "The Six Thatchers" 10 minutes ago, and I'm once again absolutely stunned by the level of detail packed into these 90 minutes. Pitch perfect performances by Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, haunting music by David Arnold and Michael Price, and most of all, superb writing by Gattis. The dialogue, the twists...it all builds to create something so uniquely...itself. Sherlock Season 4 is looking great so far.

 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2017 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I thumb my nose at it. Far too larky and frenetic for my taste, as much as I'd like to go with it, but it's just too cute in anannoyingly self-conscious way. I do rather enjoy Sherlock's misanthropy, just wish the approach was more serious. I also thought the episode endless.

Believe it or not, this side of the pond's "Elementary" remains one of my favorite shows.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It is of course a cheeky parody on 'The Six Napoleons', and that comparison in the UK at least is worth it alone!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

"I thumb my nose at it." Gee, what surprise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

It is of course a cheeky parody on 'The Six Napoleons', and that comparison in the UK at least is worth it alone!

yes, and I'd just read that story a few months before I saw the episode! smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

"I thumb my nose at it." Gee, what surprise.

Glad you're paying attention, ol' boy.

By the way, "The Pearl of Death" is one of the better Rathbone Holmes adventures. Last night could have used Rando Hatton -- but then so can this board!

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I saw the first episode and really enjoyed it. Love both actors. I found the second episode rather dull and it lost my interest pretty quickly and didn't bother watching anymore. I want to give it a third chance, hopefully one day I will.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

I saw the first episode and really enjoyed it. Love both actors. I found the second episode rather dull and it lost my interest pretty quickly and didn't bother watching anymore. I want to give it a third chance, hopefully one day I will.


The second episode, "The Blind Banker", that's gonna be a love it or hate it. (I personally loved it) But the third episode, "The Great Game" (season finale) - pure genius. If that one doesn't get your blood pumping, abandon the show.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

Plus, the show isn't a slog...there's only 3 episodes a season and only 3 complete seasons. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I think it comes down to whether you like Cumberbatch. He doesn't do anything for me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I saw the first episode and really enjoyed it. Love both actors. I found the second episode rather dull and it lost my interest pretty quickly and didn't bother watching anymore. I want to give it a third chance, hopefully one day I will.


The second episode, "The Blind Banker", that's gonna be a love it or hate it. (I personally loved it) But the third episode, "The Great Game" (season finale) - pure genius. If that one doesn't get your blood pumping, abandon the show.


Well you convinced me to give it another try.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I have to suspend my dislike of the negatives as outlined by Rory to appreciate the positives as outlined by Aidabaida. I have to wonder how Conan Doyle would have liked having his hero turned into essentially a superhero. Of course, it's only because we're all mental pygmies that we continue to idolize Sherlock.
I'm not sure that the series is a revolution in itself, but rather riding a trend of revolutionary film making. Killing off a character seems creatively shortsighted, but I guess they wanted to push dramatic buttons and make Sherlock grow up. It might seem like a daring thing to do, but that's only because the "seasons" are so ridiculously short.
And I will again gripe about the stupidest thing I've seen in any series - a blackmailer telling someone he has no physical PROOF to back up his blackmail! This completely nullifies his effectiveness. If it's all in his head, it even invites his death. The admission makes zero sense in fiction or reality.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

I have to suspend my dislike of the negatives as outlined by Rory to appreciate the positives as outlined by Aidabaida. I have to wonder how Conan Doyle would have liked having his hero turned into essentially a superhero. .

Wow! That's a different way of looking at it. This episode did EVERYTHING to humanize Sherlock. I mean, he's seeing a psychiatrist now. He doesn't have amazing fighting skills (He loses to A.J.), he's just smart. I think they've turned him into the antithesis of a superhero, or, perhaps more accurately, shown the true nature of what the public CONSIDERS a superhero.

Anyway, I have Rory on my "ignore" List so I cannot see whatever negatives he's outlined, but it doesn't surprise me that he'd dislike it. After all, it's creative, intelligent, and doesn't stick to formula! I'm joking. But people like him see the bad in everything. Everything! It's become "Hip" these days to hate everything. And people like him, despite claiming to stand in opposition to pop culture, have become assimilated into it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Just saw the episode. Certainly a lot better than the last season, with that whole silly 19th century/dream thing going on. I sometimes have problems with rapid-fire, information-heavy dialogue, but thankfully the intrigue wasn't TOO complex this time around. Not yet, anyway. Gutsy ending of the episode too!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)

Just saw the episode. Certainly a lot better than the last season, with that whole silly 19th century/dream thing going on. I sometimes have problems with rapid-fire, information-heavy dialogue, but thankfully the intrigue wasn't TOO complex this time around. Not yet, anyway. Gutsy ending of the episode too!

Gutsy was how I'd sum up the whole episode. And not just the death at the end.

Gutsy was practically switching genres, abandoning their proven formula, removing the long "mind palace" scenes of deduction/crime solving, not introducing a maniacal villain, summing up Mary's month long spy escapade in 3 minutes of montage, daring to make Sherlock human and removing his 'superpowers', NOT involving Moriarty, etc. They ABANDONED their template. It's sheer brilliance

You didn't like the Abominable Bride though? I thought that was gutsy too. I tend to always admire stories that never play it safe. I've loved every episode of Sherlock so far.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I have to suspend my dislike of the negatives as outlined by Rory to appreciate the positives as outlined by Aidabaida. I have to wonder how Conan Doyle would have liked having his hero turned into essentially a superhero. .

Wow! That's a different way of looking at it. This episode did EVERYTHING to humanize Sherlock. I mean, he's seeing a psychiatrist now. He doesn't have amazing fighting skills (He loses to A.J.), he's just smart. I think they've turned him into the antithesis of a superhero, or, perhaps more accurately, shown the true nature of what the public CONSIDERS a superhero.

Anyway, I have Rory on my "ignore" List so I cannot see whatever negatives he's outlined, but it doesn't surprise me that he'd dislike it. After all, it's creative, intelligent, and doesn't stick to formula! I'm joking. But people like him see the bad in everything. Everything! It's become "Hip" these days to hate everything. And people like him, despite claiming to stand in opposition to pop culture, have become assimilated into it.


That last part's rich coming from a fifteen year old. You can't understand the negativity unless you've seen decades of tv and movies, and enough to know that this BBC Sherlock show is slick, well-produced entertainment, but otherwise shallow and cloying.

And how do you imagine Sherlock himself would react to it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's sheer brilliance.

roll eyes

I'm reminded of Gene Wilder's pronunciation of the name in his comedic homage: "Sheer luck."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Aidabaida   (Member)


roll eyes


big grin I respect rule breakers.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

It's sheer brilliance.

roll eyes



Brilliant hyperbole from a 15-year-old.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2017 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I disagree that this modern Sherlock is "just smart." They had to make him even smarter to stand out in modern times. When I said "essentially a superhero," maybe I should have qualified as "mental superhero." The original Sherlock was a good fighter, so I have no qualms about this one being able to beat a highly trained mercenary (which he did - I dont know why you say he lost the fight). And he's only at a therapist at the end, wondering what to do about John. I dont find that humanizes him.
Seems like you're too in-love with the show to exercise any critiquing, which is fine. But some of us will cast an experienced or jaundiced eye.
Btw, I suspect Conan Doyle would love the show. As much as he wanted to be recognized for his serious fiction, he probably would have gotten a kick out of his comic book character being taken to such lengths...and the money he could get from it.

 
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