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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2016 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

The film doesn't open in the UK until next year, but I'm listening to the (eventual) score by RG-W right now.
I can only imagine the feeling of profound sadness and disappointment Gibbo must have felt when hearing (and rejecting) John Debney's first attempt and then this pleasant, if by-the-numbers and wholly predictable sounding modern day score from Greg-Will.
I'm sure Mel shed some tears at not only the loss of his musical muse, but the levels Horner's music raised in his visuals and emotional beats.
There is nothing directly wrong with this score. It's just a product of the times.
It doesn't sound composed. Merely programmed in and fed out.
Perhaps my opinion of it will change/improve when I hear it within the film.
But for now, it's just another bitter reminder of the scale of the loss of James Horner and his music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2016 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I saw the film at a press screening earlier today. It's very good -- very 90s and even 80s on occasion, but meant in a good way (i.e. wearing its heart on its sleeve). The music really comes through on multiple occasions. Sounds very good, although -- curiously -- it didn't do much for me when I listened to the album a few weeks ago. I should give it another shot.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2016 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Just caught the film before it left theaters. Very good. Both film and score. I will be picking this up.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2016 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Haven't heard it as a stand-alone, but when connected to the movie, I felt it was very good. At times, I thought RG Williams was channeling a bit of Horner's "heart on your sleeve" type of music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2016 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Haven't heard it as a stand-alone, but when connected to the movie, I felt it was very good. At times, I thought RG Williams was channeling a bit of Horner's "heart on your sleeve" type of music.

And a fair bit of his brother's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN too.....

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2016 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I thought both the film and the score to be quite powerful at times. The end credits give an "In Memory" credit to Horner. The film contains perhaps the most brutal portrayal of combat since the Omaha Beach sequence of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2017 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Say what you like about Mel Gibson and his 'igots' and 'isms', but give the fella a camera and he will shoot the sh!t out of whatever material he's adapting.
That's five films now and I've been mightily impressed by every one of them.
This is a brutal, harrowing 'boy's own' adventure, incredibly based on real events.
If you've seen previous Gibbo stuff, expect soft, lovely old school filmmaking charged through with unflinching, gut-busting (literally) action sequences.
Even the 'seen it all before' drill/training sequences (which reminded me of Biloxi Blues) are hugely enjoyable.
Sure, it's got some ropey/rolls eyes scenes from time to time, but most Hollywood films play fast and loose with real life events (I was shocked NOT to find a bunch of Redcoats and English soldiers instead of the Japanese enemy atop the Ridge).
The only let-down for me was the music, or lack of James Horner, to be more precise.
While R-G-W doesn't do anything wrong, giving us some pseudo Thomas Newman and Mark Isham style scoring for the most part, with a generic bent, I feel Horner would have added some extra layers of depth and emotion, even if it would have just been Windtalkers meets In Country/Uncommon Valour wink
Best film I'm likely to see this year.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2017 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Comforting to see that we agree again, for once, Kev -- I think all of Gibson's films as director have been spectacular. Including this one. I do like the score a great deal better than you, though (but obviously, we would all have loved to hear what Horner could have done).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2017 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

I absolutely agree with the above comments about Gibson's directorial talent. This film was amazing and I think the score worked very well, mostly during the second half of the movie, in the war scenes.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2017 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Oscarilbo   (Member)

Loved both film and score (much better from what I expected from RWG)

But I can't stop wondering, what went wrong with Debney's score ?
Have any more details emerged recently about it? It sounded like Debney was having a great time writing it.

Was it Mel or the studio who did not ultimately liked it?

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2017 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

It isn't a bad score but it also isn't the sort of thing I would want to listen to much outside of the film.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2017 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


Best film I'm likely to see this year.


Agreed. It's also refreshing to see a film about heroism in war which centers on someone who refuses to use a gun.

The absence of James Horner was keenly felt though. Rupert Gregson-Williams' score was serviceable but formulaic and bland. I have to wonder what was so "wrong" with John Debney's contribution that G-W's was considered preferable.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2017 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

It's also refreshing to see a film about heroism in war which centers on someone who refuses to use a gun.

I found it oddly cynical, in that it focused on a man who refused to take life while simultaneously ogling the taking of life. It was also very typically Gibsonian with a hero going through a crucible of violence. Gibson has a very powerful dramatic instinct, no doubt about that, but his predilections seemed at odds here with those of the man whose story he was trying to tell.

There were some other problems with the film too but I guess no one wants to hear it.

And yes, while RGW did fine Horner would likely have knocked it out of the park.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2017 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Well as I said in the other thread, I changed my mind about this score after watching the film. I was impressed by the main theme and the overall heroism portrayed in the music.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2017 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I still want to hear the Debney score. I'm sure there are some reasons behind the scenes why so many rejected scores never see the light of day until many many years later, and even then it's a small percentage overall that come out.

It would be nice if one of these scores went against this norm and suddenly got a legitimate limited edition release.

 
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