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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Jerry Goldsmith conducted Johnny W's Papa!     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Dec 1, 2016 - 8:37 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Yes, the Father of our beloved Maestro John Williams played as drummer on a Jerry Goldsmith score! Now I could just give it away, but that would be too easy. Does anyone know what score (I know of just one, there may be more) that Jerry Goldsmith conducted, that included in the orchestra, drummer John F. Williams Sr., Papa of John Williams? I just found out today and thought it was pretty cool. The senior Williams would have been around 57 - 58 years old at the time of the score's recording sessions. It's around the time young Johnny was working on scores for ALCOA PREMIERE on TV and GIDGET GOES TO ROME for the big screen. Here is a photo of the Sr. Williams drumming with the Raymond Scott Quintette. How come there's always 6 guys in the photos of the band? I thought Quintette meant 5? Am I looney? Or is Raymond also in the band and doesn't count himself? I guess that's it but it seems weird to me. I guess it's like Conan O'brien's house band, Max Weinberg and the Max Weinberg 7. He doesn't count himself as one of the 7. Interesting. Wonder if Williams Sr. drummed on any of his son's Hollywood Film Scores?    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:14 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) Yes, I do believe Williams sr. played on some of his son's scores, but I can't remember which, at the top of my head. Brothers Jerry and Don (who are also both percussionists) certainly have -- up to this very day; they were both involved on the latest STAR WARS pic, for example. Not sure which Jerry Goldsmith score you're talking about. Your timeframe suggests 1961-1963 (ALCOA began in 1961 and GIDGET premiered in 1963). It could be any number of scores. THE LIST OF ADRIAN MESSENGER? LONELY ARE THE BRAVE? We've talked a bit about Williams sr. in previous threads here on the board. Here's one you did yourself awhile back: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=87498&forumID=1&archive=0    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:31 AM     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member) Might it be SEVEN DAYS IN MAY? A lot of percussion in that one.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:36 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) That's 1964, though. Williams sr. would be 59.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:44 AM     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member) Yeah, well, it is just a guess, but it says "around the time"... and SEVEN DAYS IN MAY could have been recorded in 1963 (don't know... I do have the Intrada release at home... but not with me right now). Also, the score is brief, but very percussive, so if there's a Goldsmith score from around this time period where it is likely that they needed additional percussionists, it may be this one...    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 5:53 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I wish Williams sr. had a more detailed page at IMDB. Alas, his page only covers a few of the television and film things he did (no Goldsmith or Williams jr. is listed). His non-media work is better covered.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 9:55 AM     By:   Morricone   (Member) DIAMOND HEAD?    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 9:56 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) DIAMOND HEAD? That's a Williams score, not a Goldsmith score. Or were you thinking of scores where sr. worked with jr.?    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 2:28 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) If it's a jazz beat that matters then perhaps JG's Twilight Zone work in that genre. I always like this one in The Fever:    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 2:41 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Thanks to those who are participating in this post. Soon I will post an audio clip, about 15 seconds from the score in question that features the drums. It's amazing how this score, one of Doug Fake's personal faves by Jerry, he once told me this years ago when we both wished we had this score. A soundtrack wasn't released at the time of the film's release, but many, many, many years later, Doug and I and I'm sure many of us rejoiced to hear it in it's wonderful pulsating and engaging glory. I remember having a homemade cassette recording of the music that I took off TV when the movie was shown, along with dialogue and effects, but it still was exciting to hear. Interesting that Doug's company INTRADA was not the one who finally released the score. And it is a Feature Film score, not anything from Goldsmith's TV output. Keep the guesses coming. Audio clip soon will be up!    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 2:52 PM     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member) City of Fear. Yavar    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 2:59 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) City of Fear. Yavar Sorry, no cigar Yavar. But nice guess.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:18 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) I have not seen the Orchestra list for SEVEN DAYS IN MAY, so it is a possibility that he did work on that one, but that is not the one I am talking about here. I have seen the Orchestra list for the recording of the score in question and Williams Senior is on it. Did they list the orchestra on the CD Release of SEVEN DAYS IN MAY? I don't personally own that CD, so I can't confirm or deny.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:36 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Here's a partial view of the Orchestra List showing Williams name under Drums/Percussion:    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:50 PM     By:   Thor   (Member) I see now that you said in the first post that Goldsmith only conducted, but that doesn't necessarily mean he also COMPOSED the score in question? I'm sure he had some conducting duties on other peoples' work.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 3:55 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) I see now that you said in the first post that Goldsmith only conducted, but that doesn't necessarily mean he also COMPOSED the score in question? I'm sure he had some conducting duties on other peoples' work. To clear it up Thor, he did COMPOSE and conduct the score in question. Looking at it, it looks like a trick question, but this is a Goldsmith composed and conducted Score we are talking about. I should have made it more clear that Goldsmith did compose and conduct this score.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 4:03 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) For fun, here is Williams Sr. appearing in the film ALI BABA GOES TO TOWN (1937) with Eddie Cantor, featuring the Raymond Scott Quintette. He's the guy going nuts on the drum of course! Enjoy! I guess young Johnny got to go see his Papa in this movie when he was about 5 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQSG2PlgI8    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 5:29 PM     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member) He did? How incestuous!    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 7:56 PM     By:   Zooba   (Member) Here's a quick snippet from the score, featuring drums, I believe bass and snare. It is not SEVEN DAYS IN MAY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbHvxwWAt4    Posted:   Dec 2, 2016 - 8:09 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) hmmm...A Gathering Of Eagles?     General Discussion: Jerry Goldsmith conducted Johnny W's Papa!    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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