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 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Some random musings:

I don't really consider myself a collector of soundtracks in the truest sense of the word, with the exception of a handful of composers and artists to which I have a 'completist' relationship (meaning that I have to own one representative album of each of their works).

Well, over the last 10 years, my CD purchases have come to an almost complete halt. I'm now ALL about digital file format listening. The only remaining "frontier" or exception has been these 'completist artists' (Williams, Goldenthal, Elfman, Supertramp, Alan Parsons, Jean Michel Jarre, Oingo Boingo, Rammstein and Pink Floyd), to which I've always bought the latest CD.

Now I'm at a point where even THIS frontier is smoldering. I used to buy the soundtracks, even if I didn't care for the music. Now I'm far more hesitant. For example, I still haven't gotten around to these Elfman soundtrack CDs, simply because I already own them in file format, and I'm not to thrilled with the music:

Danny Elfman - The End of the Tour
Danny Elfman - Avengers: Age of Ultron
Danny Elfman - Goosebumps
Danny Elfman - The Girl on the Train
Danny Elfman - Before I Wake

So what should I do? Should I acquire them just to own them in physical format -- right there alongside my other 81 Elfman discs, or should I finally admit defeat and continue my Elfman collecting in file format here on out?

I feel I'm at a tipping point right now.

What about you? Am I the only one struggling with such problems (admittedly a very western, industrialized country "luxury" problem)?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

You buy the discs Thor if your an Elfman Completist like you said your not thrilled with digital file format easy decision.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Actually, I'm very thrilled with the 'file' format, even if the sound quality is somewhat a BIT lesser. Convenience trumps those marginal sound differences for me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

Sounds like you've already overcome a few mental hurdles, so being "completist" is the last one to beat.

Try it, it's easy once you get used to it... not everything a composer writes is a worthwhile listening experience, and other composers' great scores are much better than your favourite composers' lower-quality scores.

Prioritise quality over quantity.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I've overcome several 'mental' hurdles in regards to this over the last 10 years.

I should specify that I won't stop collecting Elfman (or any of my other favourites); I'm just considering stopping collecting him in physical format.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


So what should I do? Should I acquire them just to own them in physical format -- right there alongside my other 81 Elfman discs, or should I finally admit defeat and continue my Elfman collecting in file format here on out?

I feel I'm at a tipping point right now.

What about you? Am I the only one struggling with such problems (admittedly a very western, industrialized country "luxury" problem)?


There can be both 'indirect' and 'direct' answers to your questions, Thor (and both may not be the types of replies you might be conducive towards).

One 'direct' answer is that physical media can operate independent of computer technology.
Imagine living inside a log cabin for a stretch of time with neither any internet connectivity nor computer/mobile phone device - but with electricity and a CD player & record turntable. smile
If you have a CD collection, you can listen to your CDs without computer files.
Plus, consider the (possible) situation of a never-before-released soundtrack by Williams, Elfman or Goldenthal being issued in the future on LP disc only! (think of the Stylotone vinyl-only releases and the current marketplace for such).

An 'indirect' answer could be: will Williams, Elfman & Goldenthal ALWAYS be your favorite 3 composers until your death?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

You need to buy them Thor if you've collected Elfman for that amount of time your should complete that collection I'm complete on a few composers what i like so its a hole missing if that means any think.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Good points, Zardoz. Although if that log cabin has electricity, I might just as well bring my 120 GB iPod (which stores a great deal of my CD collection) and some external mini-speakers.

Williams will always be engraved in stone as my favourite composer who ever lived, but Elfman and Goldenthal may get competition at some point.

Regardless, I think the crux of this matter is the psychological mechanism in play here, the need to own a complete set of works by an artist -- and the need to do so the way it was set up from the beginning, i.e. in physical format. It feels uncomfortable to suddenly say: "OK, I've collected Elfman for decades. I have 81 CDs that cover everything up to and including 2015. From now on out, I'm not going to get any more physical items, just invisible "cyber-items" for the rest".

I'm sure there's a term for this psychological mechanism.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Is the package a part of the "collection"? The physical product, liner notes, artwork, etc. Or are you "collecting" just the music? That should answer your question.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Why buy something that you are not going to like?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Is the package a part of the "collection"? The physical product, liner notes, artwork, etc. Or are you "collecting" just the music? That should answer your question.

Mostly the music, although the rest is often a great bonus. But again, this has more to do with what has been the norm so far, and the "break" with said norm.

Why buy something that you are not going to like?

This is a great question, and something we have discussed here before. But it goes more to the core of what constitutes the 'completist' urge in general, in relation to a given artist (I know some people will find my use of this term ironic, btw, seeing how much I hate complete releases of soundtracks). And it's a little bit beside the point, which has more to do with coming to terms with technlogical changes as a collector.

But yeah -- it basically boils down to a deep love for a certain artist, and the desire to take part of their entire creative evolution, ups and downs, warts and gems.

I didn't intend this to be only about me, though. I'm curious to hear if any of you have similar qualms these days?

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

But yeah -- it basically boils down to a deep love for a certain artist, and the desire to take part of their entire creative evolution, ups and downs, warts and gems.

I'm surprised to see you of all people writing this, Thor, as you frequently point out that you're not a collector.

My opinion: If you own the scores in any format, you are taking part of this evolution you speak of. I personally don't see what difference the delivery format of the music (which is itself intangible, of course) should have.

When you buy and keep things you don't enjoy, you no longer own your hobby, it owns you.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Well, you surely know about me. I don't have a single digital release. *If* I buy/get a digital release, I always burn the files over on a CDR to have it in my physical collection. But I'm quite picky, I don't have a massive collection, and I'm not really a completist of anyone, perhaps except for a composer like Jonathan Elias which I have everything of (it just happened) - but he isn't particularly productive so it's not a big issue at all.

I still love going to record fairs to buy cheap-ish vinyl, and when a release like the new Beverly Hills Cop materializes I still feel the adrenaline rush of physical releases.

Up until the late 90s I collected everything by Zimmer and the other Media Ventures composers. That interest has really vanished - I would surely had gone bankrupt if I would keep up with everything in that field...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I know, FB. I envy you. You really sound like me in 2005 (where I ruled out a conversion to digital COMPLETELY...there are even posts here saying as much, although I can't find them anymore). But something happened after I transferred all my CDs to iTunes. It was a massive revolution for my listening habits. Now these 'completist' artists are all that remain as far as physical format is concerned.

I'm surprised to see so few relating to this, though. I would have thought it was a fairly common phenomenon, pr. this 2011 thread of mine:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=78725&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I have no desire to own everything James Horner or John Williams produced. Nor do I have a desire to own every LLL release or every FSM release. So I guess I'm not a collector. I purchase music I enjoy and want to listen too. Back when I was swimming in money I would occasionally purchase a few scores out of nostalgia, with little or no intent on playing the music, but that's as far as it went. I've repurchased scores numerous times for the upgrade, from LP/Cassette/CD or because it was remastered and expanded. But not to own every version of the score.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Thor, I think most of us have to face such qualms. Mine are different than yours since I'm not at all interested in downloading music (I do it very very rarely). However, something I experienced through the years is that time helps accepting things. I indeed noticed I can live without many items I didn't buy for whatever reason at the time they were released. Most of the time, we're buying CD's or whatever other sound carriers much too quickly just because we fear they will be OOP. But it's also great to think we'll have other opportunites to get this stuff later on, for instance on the second hand market or as I said that we won't get it at all!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I don't think I am a completist of any artist, unless you count someone like Nick Drake, who recorded only 3 albums, and then I bought the box set because I got a good deal on it.

I would rather hear the top-shelf stuff from a wider variety of artists.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

As far as I'm aware we are not in a "post-CD" or "post-vinyl" age, although I see where this idea comes from.

Who likes like looking at computer screens? There is progress to be made before they can match the virtues of printed work. I also find PC software to be frustratingly clunking, "jack of all trades" for "all people" situation.

CD's for digital remain the superior way to deliver digital signals to DACs. Although it may be considered a non-issue by most.

However, I loath the housing/case device CD's are delivered with. Bulky, fragile/brittle. Damn those print plant people.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2016 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

As a highly discriminating purchaser of soundtracks I'm replying here for something like a perverse reason. Thor and I are pretty much charter board members and I wish I had a buck for every time we engaged in exploratory conversation way back when about listening to film music as the result of viewing the film vs. the "phenomenon" of stand-alone listening. It is certainly no longer a phenomenon in my or anyone else's mind in the auditory and collecting sense. And for that matter any other sense. Accessibility in the ensuing years has everything to do with it. The exploratory phase of film music appreciation passed, too. Within this overall context, the subject title of the thread truly marks time.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2016 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

I think life is too short to worry about purchasing every bit of music from one artist especially when you know you will not like it. If this makes me not a serious collector then so be it. Especially when prices go up to produce new versions and recordings, you have to prioritize and purchase what you love. Unless you have lots of money to spend. This new Jurassic Park is getting out of my budget but its one of my favorites so thats probably what I will buy next pushing all the others aside or if not at all.

 
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