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 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

My question is regarding predominantly synthesizer or electronic sounding scores.

What in your opinion makes a synthesizer score sound dated?

Is it a particular type of sound closely associated with a specific year or the over use of a specific type of sound?

I ask this question because a lot of the time, you always hear the response from (typically, snobby anti electronic types) that a synthesized score will sound dated no matter what.



 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Halloween scores are very synthesized, Actually most of Carpenter film scores have a lot of synthesized work in them electronics there ok but not great they all have a lot of repetition I listen to them maybe once or twice a year.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

To me they seem more of a gimmick than 'proper' music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Halloween's or Carpenter scores ?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think it always sounds dated when the electronics are attempting to sound like real instruments.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't know anything about the "instrumentation" used. Are there high end and low end equipment? Classic Vangelis and Zimmer sound layered, complex, and not dated at all. Most of the other 80's stuff sounds thin, tacky and most certainly dated.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

The Delta Force comes to mind Silvestri not at his best there its an ok score but a lot of repetition don't play it much 1-2 times a year max.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   FarTraveler   (Member)

I have wondered this myself. I suspect that there are two reasons: (1) the waveform of the synth itself is less complicated than the waveform of an acoustic instrument. Although we hear a violin as, say, a single note; there is a *lot* happening in just one note. By contrast, the waveform of a synthetic instrument tends to have a lot less going on. (2) as solium suggested, the layering of sound also adds to the complexity. Synth scores less often do that kind of layering (though Vangelis is a noteworthy exception).

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Most music sounds "dated" to the extend that it is a product of its time (and culture). Bach's music sounds different from Mozart's. Electronic instruments have only been around for a few decades and whithin this time period, their capabilities have greatly changed, so whatever composers did with electronic instruments twenty years ago is bound to have a different sound from what composers do nowadays. But many of us remember "twenty years ago", and even those who do not are likely to recognize the typical 80s or 70s synth sound as such. The music sounds "dated" because we recognize the "age" of the music.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Anything feels dated (whether it's a certain synthesizer sound, a paisley tie, or a singing Big Mouth Bass that you put on your wall) when time leaves it behind. Many scores realized electronically used sounds that seemed fresh at the time but sound thin now.

They don't have to, of course, and it's all a matter of personal taste. But it's really no different from the close harmony used in songs from the '60s, or the often very literal use of "Rule, Britannia!" or "La Marseillaise" in scores from the '30s to signify location changes -- techniques that have fallen out of favor, which peg the music as being of a specific time. Of course, tastes continue to change, and what was dated last year could be hip and retro next year. (Is affection for 8-bit music waning yet? If not, could it please?)

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

But I don't find classical music dated at all. It transcends time. It's timeless.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Nothing dates faster than the hyper-modern.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

To me they seem more of a gimmick than 'proper' music.

LOL

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

"Dated" is a word that doesn't exist in my vocabulary.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

But I don't find classical music dated at all. It transcends time. It's timeless.

I agree with you if you mean by "dated" "outdated". I did not want to imply anything negative.
I was merely referring to the fact that more or less the time period in which a piece of classical music is composed tends to be obvious. I find the music of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms and Schönberg all timeless and their works transcending time, yet they are also a product of their time.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

It's like when you hear a Farfisa organ, you automatically can refer it to the 1960's decade. This is what makes it sound dated. Some instruments were popular and used so much, now they will be cemented for that era.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I think it always sounds dated when the electronics are attempting to sound like real instruments.


This is my opinion as well.
And I also think that when the synth sounds go the OTHER direction--sounding really gimmicky and emphasizing that it's a synth--is just as bad.
As much as I enjoy their music, I think Kitaro, JM Jarre and Isao Tomita are the biggest offenders in that area. Vangelis comes close.
It sometimes seems that they went out of their way to make their synths sound rinky-dink--particularly their older work. Maybe their later work does too--I don't know because I haven't really kept up with them since the 80's.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It all comes down to the technology used. Obviously, stuff like Yamaha DX7, Synclavier (II), Roland T-808, Fairlight CMI, Linn Drums etc. will always bear the mark of the period it came out. Whether it's pop music or film music. The early MIDI experimentation.

But for me, this is a non-existant problem. I LOVE the organic, retro synths and I'm glad we're living in a time where these instruments (or approximations of them) are revived in contemporary settings. Dated is good!

But I also love the more 'timeless' electronic score (70s Tangerine Dream, most Vangelis etc.).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2016 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Thor pretty much said it for me. If I like it I like it! Doesn't matter if it sounds "dated", same goes for anything orchestral.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2016 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Everything is "dated" - is was done at a certain point in time.

So many use the word "dated" as "old" and "boring" or "cheesey". That is completely absurd and only sets those people up for a major disappointment if the sound they currently consider cutting-edge will sound "cheesey" to the next generation.

 
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