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 Posted:   Nov 23, 2016 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

I've passed the inquiries about the materials used for the isolated score for Moby Dick over to the TT thread on Home Theater Forum to see if TT could possibly elucidate about the materials were used, so we could hopefully get an answer about this soon.

Edit: Here's TT's reply to the inquiry about the materials used. It doesn't look like a CD is possible:

All existing materials that were available to hand - collectors rummaging through their attics, the 35mm stems, the M&E tracks, the existing LP and CD releases - plus our resident music wizard Mike Matessino, who has created a brand-new listening experience from all the spare parts!

As to whether a record label would try to make a new CD out of it - that is probably unlikely. The Blu-ray remains your best bet.


Many thanks TacktheCobbler. So this is not the legit "isolated track" showing the original score of Sainton, but an isolated track "regarding" that score. I wonder what kind of materials it can be, if it has to respect the sinc. with the movie. Would Preston say us. as soon as he will get in the hands this Blu Ray?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2016 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I wonder.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2016 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I wonder.

"When we talked about the ways that men could die, we forgot the chief method of execution. We forgot--faithlessness, Major Finch. Maybe you're not to blame. Maybe if it weren't you it would have been someone else? Maybe this has to be the destiny of man? I wonder if that's true. I wonder. I guess I'll never know. I guess I'll never know..."

--Mr. Goldsmith (John Anderson) to Major Finch (James Coburn, lying there dead) at the end of Twilight Zone's The Old Man in the Cave

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2016 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

OK it is hard for me to imagine the Blu-ray improving upon this DVD. For the first time ever I got a true feel for the modified Technicolor effect Huston insisted upon. As such, this becomes one of those films that looks like it was shot in the era in which it takes place. A work of cinematographic art. I was taken in during the section after the wind had died (man overboard!) beyond any previous viewing. In addition I also became aware, which I hadn't before, of how most of the film is shot in close-up. I mean something on the order of claustrophobic. For me the debate's on whether it's a positive or negative. One thing's for sure--it made me concentrate on the people. And what characters. I even came away with a superior understanding of the symbolic significance of names like Ahab, Rachel, Ishmael and Elijah. Now I had thought about that kind of stuff before and all but the enhanced "concentration" somehow made things clearer.

And grand appreciation for the score, of course, never diminishes.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2016 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I'm watching the TT Blu-ray right now. I'll have more to say later.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2016 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

OK, it's later.

First off, anyone who is a fan of this movie or its score really owes it to themselves to pick up this Blu-ray. This is the best the movie has ever looked on home video or TV broadcast. The isolated score track really should be called isolated score and sound effects track, as some cues have sound effects mixed in (there's also passages of just the sound effects), but most cues do not and sound quite good, though the stereo isn't very wide (if indeed it's true stereo) but the fidelity for the most part is very good.

Having said all that, I'm disappointed with the picture transfer. Not because of the bleached color look, which is fine with me, but because the image has that soft, duped look. A short featurette states that the couldn't use the original camera negatives because they're now too faded, so they had to work from black and white separation masters. The image isn't as sharp and clear as I'd hoped, but still it looks better than it ever has before. The featurette gives you side-by-side, before and after comparisions.

I'm about to now listen to the commentary track.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Many thanks RoryR. Adding this to the post of TacktheCobbler, we can say there is a track without dialogue, but nobody can assure that it is the original legit M-E track, as Matessino used sparse materials to assemble a "listening experience from spare parts".The "music only" sections can be a copy-and-paste from the Lp and CD. Would Mike Matessino offer us an in-dept report on what really has been done for this track? As for the aspect-ratio, at the moment I have the old MGM dvd release at 1,33 plus the recently released in Italy at 1,66, and this last is framed within the old 1,33, so there is a loss of the image at top and bottom!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Many thanks RoryR. Adding this to the post of TacktheCobbler, we can say there is a track without dialogue, but nobody can assure that it is the original legit M-E track, as Matessino used sparse materials to assemble a "listening experience from spare parts".The "music only" sections can be a copy-and-paste from the Lp and CD. Would Mike Matessino offer us an in-dept report on what really has been done for this track? As for the aspect-ratio, at the moment I have the old MGM dvd release at 1,33 plus the recently released in Italy at 1,66, and this last is framed within the old 1,33, so there is a loss of the image at top and bottom!

No, it's 1.66:1 with no image loss that I can tell, unless I'm unware of something.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2016 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yeah we talked about the 1:66 stuff earlier. I too assume not too much if anything of consequence is missing per 1:85 of original also cited. As for the picture, perhaps the Blu-ray is just a little bit better than the DVD. Then again, maybe not. It's just that after years and years of pan and scan diluted showings there is a breath of fresher air. Oh and I had never before noticed the scar on the left side of Ahab's face had such prominence.

The isolated track with sound effects is precisely what I got with the LP that dares not speak its name...wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2024 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

I’ve a mint, unplayed Japanese RCA reissue LP…

 
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