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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

As I wrote in another thread:

"... I feel like I have some sort of deficiency that prevents me from liking Elmer Bernstein more. I want to like him and keep trying, and I feel like there is something wrong with me.

I don't apologize for not liking some other film composers, but my Bernstein problem bothers me."

and

"...I do like "The Man with the Golden Arm," "Staccato," "The Silencers," and "The Carpetbaggers," but overall, his music does not engage me.

And I have tried. Whenever I come across one of his scores for a decent price, I will pick it up, but I am often disappointed. I don't know if it is a mental block or what."

I am going to listen to "To Kill a Mockingbird" now, both the Ava and WB LP, and mix a vintage rum cocktail, possibly a navy grog.

Please help me. With the Bernstein thing, I mean, not with mixing the cocktail.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I even come close to hitting the purchase button on "Summer and Smoke," and $20 is typically more than I spend on a score when I am on the fence.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

You like what you like in this world. Don't worry about it. I am quite selective when it comes to Bernstein myself. I like a lot his themes but not necessarily the whole scores. The Bernstein that I enjoy the most is Bridge at Remargen, Space Hunter, McQ and the Great Escape.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

As a Bernstein lover, let me say that no words can achieve what you are asking. This is not an intellectual pursuit. You either like it or you don't. I might as well try to convince you of all the good reasons to like the color orange. If it doesn't work for you, no more can be said.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You know what track I really love? The introspective, minor key modal track from "Staccato" that starts with the guitar chords. It may be track 4 or 5. Does anyone know that one? I love it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Also, I love "Toccata for Toy Trains," to the point that I got rid of my overrated Grado cartridge because it couldn't track the quiet passages without shuddering violently.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Birdman of Alcatraz?
Rampage?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I love Report to the Commissioner, Too Kill a Mocking Bird, TM7, The Ten Commandments, The Age of Innocence, Saturn 3, Gold, Hud, Trading Places & McQ, their all very-fine scores they all sound completely different which we want are composers too be extremley creative, Elmer's abilities are much more than just jazz works.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Saturn 3
The Grifters
The Magnificent Seven
Stripes

Bernstein wrote for pretty much every genre and cross-genre there is. If you don't like his music for one kind of movie, you're bound to like what he wrote for something else.

He may be one of the most chameleon-like of film composers. His different scores to different movies all sound, well, different. Straight Drama may be what Bernstein is known most for (and those 50s & 60s scores may sound a bit fusty), but he wrote sooo much else.

Does 'Summer and Smoke' sound anything like '10 Commandments' sound anything like 'The Grifters' sound anything like 'Stripes'?

If nothing else, I defy you not to like 'The Magnificent Seven' (or 'Stripes').

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Just spun WB Mockingbird. Some nice moments, but my mind kept wandering.

Taking a break with "Toccata for Toy Trains." I adore this.

Going back to the Ava Mockingbird after this.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Just spun WB Mockingbird. Some nice moments, but my mind kept wandering.

Taking a break with "Toccata for Toy Trains." I adore this.

Going back to the Ava Mockingbird after this.


The Ava Mockingbird is my favorite presentation of the score.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Help Me Like Elmer Bernstein More

A film scene comes to mind:

"It has nothing to do with you. It's a sacred subject much like the sex life of my mother.
It's something you'll refrain from talking about or even thinking about.
It's way too difficult a subject for your small little brain to grasp.
It's a passion that's beyond you. I'd have to explain to you the sound
of the wind and the smell of the woods.
I'd have to create you all over again, and stamp out those years you spent
on the dirty pavement in cramped shoes." - White Hunter, Black Heart.

Or what Schiffy said. I hope these "talk me into liking x" threads dont catch on.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

... I hope these "talk me into liking x" threads dont catch on.

I have learned a lot from similar threads that others started, so those conversations have been useful to me. If you don't want to participate, that's OK.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Elmer Bernstein is not my favorite either. I own 3 from him. I have The Great Escape, which I hardly listened to, Three Amigos, not for the music but because I love the movie so much and Ten Commandments. To me he was on my overrated list. It's just your taste in music. You can't apologize for who you are and what you like. My advice, life is too short to invest on other people's opinions. If there is something you don't like, spend on something you do. That $80 buys a lot of soundtracks that you do enjoy.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

You want help? Here it comes:

Amazing Grace and Chuck
The Black Cauldron
Genocide
Heavy Metal
McQ
The Rainmaker
Rampage
Slipstream
Spies Like Us
Wild Wild West

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Also, I love "Toccata for Toy Trains," to the point that I got rid of my overrated Grado cartridge because it couldn't track the quiet passages without shuddering violently.

Huh? It's the loud passages that demand the wide groove excursions that challenge a cartridge. Happily I've consigned that problem to the past.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Spies Like Us
Wild Wild West


Two of this huge Bernstein fan's most disliked Bernstein scores. Which just shows how hard these "convince me" threads are.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

... I hope these "talk me into liking x" threads dont catch on.

I have learned a lot from similar threads that others started, so those conversations have been useful to me. If you don't want to participate, that's OK.


Apparently we (not just myself) who think it's a matter of taste dont understand the question.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 7:35 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Wow, with a subject title like the one here hard to believe Lady Hue hasn't taken this thread by storm!

PS
oh I see she replied on another thread; anyway, she set me straight on EB many moons ago per 3 replies of mine here...

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=1001&archive=1

...with something mentioned here...

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=871&forumID=1&archive=1

...namely:

"Thank you, Madame Hue, for your fine missionary work in the field of Elmer Bernstein. You must have sensed my momentary loss of sense and the moment your CD of The Ten Commandments arrived I immediately put on the Prelude and was jolted back to sanity. And Stripes, The Great Escape and the incomparable The Magnificent Seven themes on the compilation induced shame beyond words. Please accept my humble (and humbled) thanks."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2016 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey, Howard, of course I think Elmer Bernstein’s the greatest, and I have loved “most” of his scores. I don’t think anything I say can make others love him. So far people have been listing their favorites and those may or may not appeal to Onya.

To join the crowd, my favorite scores by Bernstein have been his westerns, especially The Magnificent Seven, The Comancheros, The Sons of Katie Elder, and The Hallelujah Trail, but not everyone will love those scores. Absolutely adore To Kill A Mockingbird, a score that I think is best appreciated when one first hears it synched to the movie before listening to it on CD.

However, my favorites are not always those that will appeal to others.

I’ve always felt that the best way to learn about a composer is to find a compilation of his most memorable themes and then decide if further exploration is desired.

(Nice older threads, Howard. Great memories.)

 
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