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 Posted:   Sep 19, 2016 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I have long had the Ava album and generally like it. I just picked up the Warner album and have not yet spun it. Considering how short those Ava albums are, I am assuming that there is more music on the WB album.

Any thoughts on how the two compare?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2016 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

People who have discussed Ava and Varese before: Dana W, Thor, Swashbuckler, Joe Caps, PN Jones, Howard L,...

...as for the WB, I'll bite.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

???

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

The acoustics for such an intimate score are far too spacious, in my opinion, on the Warner album (which is the Bernstein Collection recording).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The acoustics for such an intimate score are far too spacious, in my opinion, on the Warner album (which is the Bernstein Collection recording).

What is the Bernstein Collection?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Here's a thread in which you participated many years ago:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61938&forumID=1&archive=0


(I had forgotten my own posts in this thread...)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Here's a thread in which you participated many years ago:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61938&forumID=1&archive=0


The lethal combination of a large LP collection and the middle-aged brain has resulted in my re-purchasing a lot of titles that I already have. Luckily, I have lots of vinyl-obsessed friends, so the duplicates are easy to unload. wink

Having said this, I have no recollection of ever spinning the WB version of TKAM.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Personally, although I love the intimacy of the Ava recording, I also like the later (1997) Varese re-recording with Bernstein conducting the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, which has a bit more music than the Ava LP.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

The acoustics for such an intimate score are far too spacious, in my opinion, on the Warner album (which is the Bernstein Collection recording).

What is the Bernstein Collection?


http://www4.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=5785

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I cannot believe that someone just asked what is the Bernstein Collection. I mean, honestly.

The Ava, though having less music, is the best recording of this score in every way. How ANYONE could prefer the later rerecording on Varese is something I will never understand - it sounds lousy and nothing like film music should sound. The second one Elmer did for his own label is better but nowhere near the Ava. And why is that? Because the Ava was recorded like film music, was recorded right after the soundtrack was recorded, and used almost all the same players. And with the Intrada release of the Ava it's also the best-sounding version.

Anyone who does not have the Ava collection from Intrada, IMO, is no fan of film music. It is one of the most essential releases of Bernstein music EVER.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hear, hear!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Anyone who does not have the Ava collection from Intrada, IMO, is no fan of film music. It is one of the most essential releases of Bernstein music EVER.


Well, I've never classified myself as a "fan of film music," so you may be onto something there.

Considering the amount of money and shelf space that I have dedicated to your releases, you will be happy to know that Kritzerland product appeals to film music fans and non-fans alike, apparently.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)


Anyone who does not have the Ava collection from Intrada, IMO, is no fan of film music. It is one of the most essential releases of Bernstein music EVER.


Well, I've never classified myself as a "fan of film music," so you may be onto something there.

Considering the amount of money and shelf space that I have dedicated to your releases, you will be happy to know that Kritzerland product appeals to film music fans and non-fans alike, apparently.


Oh, from your posts here and what you purchase I'd definitely classify you as a film music fan - hence if you don't know about the Ava collection and don't desire it, I'm a bit baffled. It's one of the greatest releases EVER, IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Oh, from your posts here and what you purchase I'd definitely classify you as a film music fan - hence if you don't know about the Ava collection and don't desire it, I'm a bit baffled. It's one of the greatest releases EVER, IMO.


smile

I have all of them on LP, and I also got the expanded "Carpetbaggers" that includes the LP and the film tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)


Oh, from your posts here and what you purchase I'd definitely classify you as a film music fan - hence if you don't know about the Ava collection and don't desire it, I'm a bit baffled. It's one of the greatest releases EVER, IMO.


smile

I have all of them on LP, and I also got the expanded "Carpetbaggers" that includes the LP and the film tracks.


The Intrada set sounds SO much better than the Ava LPs - the Ava vinyl was particularly cheap and ugly. And compressed for LP. The album masters are spectacular - trust me on this - get it and you will thank me to the end of your days.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Deleted lest ambiguity.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

The Intrada release is great, but I think the FMC (WB) version is one of the best re-recordings ever made. The reading and performances are brilliant. Along with TORN CURTAIN and THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR, I think it's one of three best releases in Elmer's series.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Totally agree (with the caveat/complaint that Ghost and Mrs. Muir omits one of my favorite cues in the score).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I have long had the Ava album and generally like it. I just picked up the Warner album and have not yet spun it. Considering how short those Ava albums are, I am assuming that there is more music on the WB album.

Any thoughts on how the two compare?


As far as I'm concerned, the FILM MUSIC COLLECTION RECORDING aka WB is the one I'd go for.

It's performed by the best session players in the UK at the time, well recorded and Elmer Bernstein was conducting.

It also pretty much contains the complete score as well.

It's also available on ITUNES as well.

Can't beat that.

It's one of the best albums of film music that i've ever head.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I cannot believe that someone just asked what is the Bernstein Collection. I mean, honestly.

The Ava, though having less music, is the best recording of this score in every way. How ANYONE could prefer the later rerecording on Varese is something I will never understand - it sounds lousy and nothing like film music should sound. The second one Elmer did for his own label is better but nowhere near the Ava. And why is that? Because the Ava was recorded like film music, was recorded right after the soundtrack was recorded, and used almost all the same players. And with the Intrada release of the Ava it's also the best-sounding version.

Anyone who does not have the Ava collection from Intrada, IMO, is no fan of film music. It is one of the most essential releases of Bernstein music EVER.


Your "Summer and Smoke" is right up there close to the Ava scores, but yes, I have to agree with you about the Ava "Mockingbird." Simple, subtle, and so true to the material! The release of the Intrada Bernstein/Ava set was for me something of a miracle, as I was sure these gems, 50+ years old and on an unheard-of label, must have been thrown into a dumpster or allowed to deteriorate in some back room somewhere. I am in full agreement with your assessments of each of the TKAM releases. I'm still counting on you to get a hold of those Wolper/EB tv documentary scores for us!

 
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