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Sep 20, 2016 - 9:51 AM
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Score-Man-X
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Shaking my head in disbelief at the guys who say there are two or three good cues. Just shaking my head.
This box is dripping with diamonds. All three seasons are littered with numerous cues that I love. Far too many examples to even get started here. Life's too short.
Absolutely right !
So I can only repeat, what I wrote on another tread:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116233&forumID=1&archive=0
If you ask me in the years before 2012, how much I will pay at most for a complete release of all STAR TREK TOS scores in a ltd. CD-box, then I was really willing to pay $1000.00. This is extremly high; I know.
This is a price, that I was only willing to pay for STAR TREK TOS; not for another STAR TREK series, not for X-FIELES, not for any other TV-series.
If now rational thinking people(they are not STAR TREK TOS fans) on this board argue, that this price is to crazy; then let it me explain in this way:
Spock argue: "This are only a lot of bits and bytes on plastic discs; this has no rational value."
MacCoy replay: NO, that are emotions, and we are humans, they need emotions for a fulfiled life !"
So Spock lose his argumentation, and MacCoy wins, ever and ever again !
It is music - it's emotional; so it is not rational to calculate the real value, to have this music or not.
How much is it worth every soundtrack collector, to have his "holly grail" scores on CD ?
From this point of view, not only the STAR TREK TOS CD-box, every soundtrack release of the past years from LA-LA-LAND or INTRADA or other company's, or a fanclub like FANDERSON, was for me a really cheap release and ever Dollar/GBP/Euro worth!
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Sep 20, 2016 - 11:35 AM
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Jeff Bond
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I could probably take all day listing favorite library cues--I love all the early Mullendore library cues, Steiner's urgent version of "Standoff" which plays at the opening of "City on the Edge of Forever," and especially Courage's second season library cues--"Ship in Orbit (Big)," "Sad and Thoughtful on Captain's Theme" (Kirk's speech music in "Mirror, Mirror" and "Omega Glory") and "Fight on Captain's Theme."
The only second season music I don't listen to is "I, Mudd." Even third season has some of my favorite scores--"Paradise Syndrome" and "Elaan of Troyius," my favorite work of the third season, and while I rarely listen to the full scores I love a lot of the cues from "Spock's Brain," "Enterprise Incident" (which is all great as long as that stupid, hammering motif isn't playing) and "Spectre of the Gun." The season three Duning scores I think are beautifully done but missing the optimism and purity of his season two scores which are among my favorites in the series. One thing that makes season three tougher to listen to is that there was much more wall-to-wall scoring, so you often have LONG cues, sometimes six minutes of underscoring, and the mood is often somber. But Courage wrote probably my all-time favorite playoff, "The Little Visitor," for the end of "Plato's Stepchildren," a score I otherwise don't listen to much. But that playoff is so grand, it's as if Courage knew it was the last cue he'd write for the series and he wanted to go out big.
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Guaranteed to have you beaming from ear to ear.
Regards
CC
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The price may seem high but do the math.
Average cost for most full length complete scores is $20 - $25 each. There are 15 discs in this set. The price would normally be $300 - $375 for all 15 CDs. So you are getting between a $50 - $125 discount off the bat. Then when it goes on sale for $200 you are getting even more of a discount. I am sure that you have purchased enough CDs in your life time that totaled $200 - $300. So instead of buying a bunch of lower priced CDs set that money aside and buy the set.
If you are unfamiliar with the music, then watch the series on Netflix, or Amazon, or Hulu or whatever streaming service offers it. Listen to the music in the show and make your determination if it is music that you are drawn to. IF the music is interesting to you, then get it. The labor that went into the set is extensive and the sound is incredible all the discs.
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Finally taking the plunge! More or less talked myself into it, but there any number of compelling arguments made in this very thread.
You mean you believed us when we told you to buy it? We were only kidding!
I was merely being polite. I don't consult soundtrack weirdos about important matters.
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Sep 21, 2016 - 6:00 PM
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Zoragoth
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I could probably take all day listing favorite library cues--I love all the early Mullendore library cues, Steiner's urgent version of "Standoff" which plays at the opening of "City on the Edge of Forever," and especially Courage's second season library cues--"Ship in Orbit (Big)," "Sad and Thoughtful on Captain's Theme" (Kirk's speech music in "Mirror, Mirror" and "Omega Glory") and "Fight on Captain's Theme."
The only second season music I don't listen to is "I, Mudd." Even third season has some of my favorite scores--"Paradise Syndrome" and "Elaan of Troyius," my favorite work of the third season, and while I rarely listen to the full scores I love a lot of the cues from "Spock's Brain," "Enterprise Incident" (which is all great as long as that stupid, hammering motif isn't playing) and "Spectre of the Gun." The season three Duning scores I think are beautifully done but missing the optimism and purity of his season two scores which are among my favorites in the series. One thing that makes season three tougher to listen to is that there was much more wall-to-wall scoring, so you often have LONG cues, sometimes six minutes of underscoring, and the mood is often somber. But Courage wrote probably my all-time favorite playoff, "The Little Visitor," for the end of "Plato's Stepchildren," a score I otherwise don't listen to much. But that playoff is so grand, it's as if Courage knew it was the last cue he'd write for the series and he wanted to go out big.
This is all so spot on.
I was very pleasantly surprised at the excellence of "Spock's Brain."
"Paradise Syndrome" is one of my all time favorite TREK scores - just stunningly beautiful. I remember being on a road trip years ago with friends - the episode came on the telly where we were staying, with us having no idea what was airing next - and I identified it not only as TREK bu7t also the episode just based on the first bar of that sylvan music! My friends were flabbergasted, given the episode opens with a pan of an outdoor forest, nothing Trekkie at all about it until the landing party beams in! :-)
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Also, you may not care about the library cues...but some of the most fantastic cues in the set ARE library cues. 
Just rewatched s.1.
The last batch of eps (probably more than half the season total) was scored with library cues. And, they kept using the same cues!
Now, much of this music was excellent but the constant repetition caused them to lose some of their dramatic power.
If only they could have used original music for all the eps.
bro
ps this came out in 2012?!!!!!!
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WhoDat, end the suspense, you're killing us here! Did you buy it or not? 
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"Man Trap" is definitely one of my least-listened-to scores (Gene Roddenberry also hated this score and ordered Courage to never write one like it again). I love some of the transitions that have Courage's brassy, military sound, and the opening and closing music, but the electric violin cues drone on and on. Just for my own taste.
I wouldn't say there's a great deal of source music here--maybe 15% of the set? And again, the library cues, if you actually listen to them, comprise a lot of the most classic cues. I'll take all the Steiner music, all the Fried music, all the Mullendore stuff, the second season Duning scores, all the Sol Kaplan, Courage's "Where No Man," "Naked Time" and second season library cues (and the end of Plato's Stepchildren, Courage's majestic farewell to the series)--I probably listen to 70% of this set like, ALL THE TIME.
Interesting anecdote Why was this snippet of information not included in the booklets of the TOS collection?
Is it known how Roddenberry (or others writers/producers of TOS) felt about the other scores?
The Man Trap definately stands out as the most moody of all the TOS episodes. But because of that I like it a lot because it shows the vision Alexander Courage had of of space music and perhaps even Star Trek as a whole.
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Are these cues amongst those that, if one wants to have the best-sounding versions, require one to buy a separate multi-disc box set of mostly non-TOS material? Are the versions I have in the TOS set markedly inferior in sound quality? I assume they must be, if the cues were given a separate re-release, described as being from better sources.
Yes.
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