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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

After Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) came on board the Enterprise on Star Trek The Next Generation, should they have then just let Counselor Deanna Troi off at the next Starbase....for good?

Seemed Whoopi had better "sensing" and "counseling" skills than our Betazed friend who seemed to just get more horny for the latest male guest star, than using her "sensing" and "counseling" skills to any good use on the ship.

I mean, seems like one of those "sensing" and "listening" types would be enough.

But Troi had a nicer rack. Sorry Whoop.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

Zoob, my dear friend…
You really need to start thinking with your BIG HEAD, instead of the smaller one.

big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 11:51 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Troi should have been a super sexy Vulcan. Kirstie Alley 2.0 only hotter.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

But Troi had a nicer rack. Sorry Whoop.

Troi looked good in her sometimes-seen plunging-neckline costume, but Guinan had a more entertaining personality. It's a difficult problem.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's not an either/or situation as posited, so there is no problem. Troi's powers were consistent. Guinan was a good drinking buddy, but could never be a consistent or real counselor so she couldnt have replaced Troi (on any level). Her super powers were never defined and only used if the plot needed some oddball trait, so I found that the least convincing aspect of her character. And I'd rather have more characters than something like the Big 3 in the TOS.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2017 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Do you really think the male crew members gave a hoot what Deanna Troi had to say on a professional level? Hmmm, lets make up some stupid emotional problem I have, and spend 45 minutes looking at a hottie babble away. Seems like a good use of time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2017 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I rather liked that she was probably the craziest person on board, and she was the therapist.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2017 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

But Troi had a nicer rack. Sorry Whoop.

No, Who-pie didn't have boobs -- she had rolls of fat that rolled over other rolls of fat and created the appearance of boobs.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

zooba, where are you, man?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

Deanna Troi and her vague answers ("I sense some sort of intelligence." or "I sense some form of deception.") only reinforced the need for a FULL Betazoid as a crew member.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

My take on it was that Guinan would listen to something and then toss off a weirdly enigmatic remark as a response, while Troi, quite rightly, would listen patiently to an entire issue and peel away the layers of the issue with more questions and encouragement.
One was very informal (with probably much less legal liabilities LOL) and the other was official (and much more protected against possible litigation LOLx2).

I admire handsome women, but Troi was hotter.
I think Sirtis gets better looking with age.
Remember that one shot where she answers Riker's knock with the ensign behind her just getting dressed?
That outfit was amazing! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

My take on it was that Guinan would listen to something and then toss off a weirdly enigmatic remark as a response, while Troi, quite rightly, would listen patiently to an entire issue and peel away the layers of the issue with more questions and encouragement.
One was very informal (with probably much less legal liabilities LOL) and the other was official (and much more protected against possible litigation LOLx2).

I admire handsome women, but Troi was hotter.
I think Sirtis gets better looking with age.
Remember that one shot where she answers Riker's knock with the ensign behind her just getting dressed?
That outfit was amazing! big grin


Which episode/movie was that?!

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Well, A) Whoopie just wanted to be a part of Star Trek on a recurring basis mainly because Nichelle Nichols was sort of a hero for her. B) She was far too expensive to be a regular.

As a character, Troi was conceived and written badly. The "feel good" 80's seemed to need a shrink, but no other ship really had one as an ongoing character. DS9 ended up with one when they replaced Jadzia with Ezri, but otherwise, the idea of a counselor seems okay but not as a regular.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Which episode/movie was that?!


"Man Of The People".

ETA: I just checked the Ep to make sure. Holy Jeez!
And the ensign scurries out with his boots in his hand!! Too funny!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Man, oh Man, I'm glad I decided not to watch ST:TNG after the first few episodes...

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Man, oh Man, I'm glad I decided not watch ST:TNG after the first few episodes...


Seriously? Oh wow.
After some really stinky first season shows where they were finding their footing, it got a lot better.
Apart from a few duds, second and third season were excellent. Fourth, too, but not so much.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I really liked the first season once they got past the midpoint. They really found a nice, dark momentum that got lost when the writer's strike delayed the second season and they had to scramble for scripts. It took a little while for year two to get going, but it wasn't pretty. There was a revolving door of producers and writers until the late Michael Piller came in and grounded everything. However, the freshness and experimentation pretty much stopped. It became a family drama about Federation outposts, science stations and visiting family members.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Actually, now that I think about it some more, quite a few of those 1st season eps are some of my faves.
-"Where No One Has Gone Before"
-"Coming Of Age"
-"Skin Of Evil" (where sh*t got real!)
-"Conspiracy"
All really good stuff--a few others too.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Man, oh Man, I'm glad I decided not watch ST:TNG after the first few episodes...

Seriously? Oh wow.
After some really stinky first season shows where they were finding their footing, it got a lot better.
Apart from a few duds, second and third season were excellent. Fourth, too, but not so much.


It wouldn't have run another 6 seasons and climaxed with some terrible feature films if it hadn't improved markedly. I thought this was common knowledge amongst Trekkers.

I should take my own advice regarding ST: DS9. Folks say that became a great series, but I can't make it thru the first couple episodes. I've tried over the years, but it gets worse each time that I can't even finish the pilot. Unlike jenkwombat, I feel like I'm missing out, not justified in disliking it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2019 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Man, oh Man, I'm glad I decided not watch ST:TNG after the first few episodes...

Seriously? Oh wow.
After some really stinky first season shows where they were finding their footing, it got a lot better.
Apart from a few duds, second and third season were excellent. Fourth, too, but not so much.


It wouldn't have run another 6 seasons and climaxed with some terrible feature films if it hadn't improved markedly. I thought this was common knowledge amongst Trekkers.



I hope Jenk gives it another chance once in a while.
Apart from the 80's new-agey ethos that was occasionally too obvious, so much of it has aged really nicely.

 
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