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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Hello FSM,

I'm working on an upcoming episode of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO and I want to play the ten best-rejected cues. Now, I'm not talking about rejected scores. That's something completely different. I'm talking about cues by a composer, who still scored the film, but had a cue or two rejected for whatever reason.

Some examples are...

"Burly Brawl" from The Matrix Reloaded
"The Hunt" from The Lost World Jurassic Park
The boatload of unused cues from Alien.
The unused Rome recording of "Pyramid Battle" from The Beastmaster.

You get my drift.

What else can you think of?

Thanks in advance.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Stephen Lister   (Member)

You've just gotta have "End Of A Dream" from Goldsmith's TOTAL RECALL.

And "The Money Express" from Shire's THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

Here are some off the top of my head.

"The Money Express" from THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3
"End Of A Dream" from TOTAL RECALL (partially unused, anyway)
"Quint Meets His End" from JAWS
"English Wedding" & "Love Scene" followed by their minor-key variations in "The Broken Heart/Revulsion" from EYE OF THE NEEDLE
"First Light" from WE'RE NO ANGELS - I could go on and on about this score, one of my all-time favorites. It was butchered in the film, probably owing to last minute re-edits (and what cues remain in the film are virtually inaudible). Among the casualties was this musically critical statement of the "light" theme, which over the course of the film is slowly transfigured into a theme for "enlightenment" for the film's climax. You know...the entire backbone of the score.




 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

You've just gotta have "End Of A Dream" from Goldsmith's TOTAL RECALL.

And "The Money Express" from Shire's THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123.


Great minds think alike!

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The end credits piece not used for "Spaceballs" (John Morris)

The end credits piece not used for "Ghostbusters" (Elmer Bernstein), that repraises Dana's theme, the Ghostbusters' theme, and ends in a magnificent orchestral burst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wMzokrhE5k

The un-used cue for the metamorphosis scene in "An American Werewolf in London" (which ultimately had a song, as the director hadintended from the get-go, but Bernstein had talked him into making a score cue incase):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tBzQHz9lv8

This alternate from "Star Trek: First Contact" (Goldsmiths); on the GNP expanded release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d46MXRUe9ms
The film featured a slower more atmospheric piece with no driving edge.

This fantastic suite from "Mulan" (Goldsmith), not used in the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI5r1eSp2Q8

This fantastic cue not used in "Jaws" (Williams):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJHM7Tzf9P0



How about this cue dropped entirely from the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode score to "Booby Trap", by Ron Jones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGCGQc7FUd0

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

"Early Arrival" from OUTLAND. Probably the best cue in the score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Refinery Survailence from Heat (Elliot Goldenthal)

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

"Weight Room" (original conception) - NORTH DALLAS FORTY. John Scott originally scored the scene with a more orchestral bent, but producer Frank Yablans (who apparently hated French Horns*) had the composer re-do it for a funkier take.

* - What a baby.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

"The Murder at the Farm," from Bernard Herrmann's rejected score for Alfred Hitchcock's TORN CURTAIN. The scene in the released version is rough to take, but with Herrmann's music, it's harrowing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

The Empire Strikes Back

The majority of the cue "The Imperial Probe - Aboard The Executor"

This is where we hear Williams' original version of his Imperial March and the way it segues into the dialogue scene with Vader and Admiral Ozzel.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

"Train/Appreciation" from Spider-man 2 - arguably the most satisfying action cue Elfman wrote for the series, dumped for a cue that felt airlifted in from a different film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Kirkinson   (Member)

I don't think suites that were never intended to be part of the film proper really count here, but Justin's mentioning of the Mulan suite reminded me that that score does contain one of the more famous examples: one minute of "Mulan's Decision" as heard on the album is replaced by a very, very different synth cue in the film.

Here's the album version of "Mulan's Decision": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0v7__RaMY0
And the film version ("Short Hair"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MilR3Z1sASY

The different sections start at 1:07 in each video. It's pretty obvious this is the section Goldsmith was talking about in this interview with Edwin Black (not sure where it was originally published, but I managed to find it archived on a Russian web site: https://vk.com/pages?oid=-6458420&p=%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D1%8C%D1%8E)

EB: And have you ever had the temp track interfere with your work?

JG: Oh, all the time. On Mulan, I did a whole score, they loved it -except for a one-minute sequence that they had animated to a temp track. No matter what I did with it, they couldn't get comfortable. They had been living with this temped piece of music for five years, so they'd gotten used to it. I finally pulled off something they could live with but it took five tries.

EB: All that over one minute?

JG: It was an important minute.


And I'm guessing the temp track he was dealing with was "Our Ways Will Part" from Hans Zimmer's Beyond Rangoon, which was used in the first teaser trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec3LSHAQsXA&t=89s

A couple others, off the top of my head:

"Recapitulation" from Elephant Man by John Morris, rejected in favor of Samuel Barber's Adagio for strings

"Though Lovers Be Lost: Catherine's Death" from the Beauty and the Beast TV series by Don Davis, replaced with a softer, less melodramatic cue by Lee Holdridge

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

The Empire Strikes Back

The majority of the cue "The Imperial Probe - Aboard The Executor"

This is where we hear Williams' original version of his Imperial March and the way it segues into the dialogue scene with Vader and Admiral Ozzel.


That arrangement of the Imperial March is my favorite. I've synced it to the film and it fits like a glove, as it was intended. I have no clue what the mentality was behind dropping in the concert arrangement, but it was a big mistake.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 10:59 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

That arrangement of the Imperial March is my favorite. I've synced it to the film and it fits like a glove, as it was intended. I have no clue what the mentality was behind dropping in the concert arrangement, but it was a big mistake.

Big mistake? Did the concert version ruin the scene or the film?

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'm not aware of any rejected cues from "Help." I do wish that they had included more of the spy music on the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   EasternFinn   (Member)

The first Hobbit film has several moments that were replaced. For instance the violin material for Radagast, the original “Out of the Frying-Pan” scene and “A Good Omen” which has the unused music for the eagles and Smaug.

Concert versions of the main themes or suites are of course another thing because many times they’re specially made for the soundtrack. However I think that “Super 8 Suite” sounds clearly an unused end credit composition, because Giacchino usually makes long suites for the credits. In the film it is replaced by rock songs and a short film.

Thunderball’s original theme song was replaced and the even saxophone version of “Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang” isn’t heard in the film.

Zimmer usually makes long suites which don’t appear in the film in the form that’s on the album. However “Salvete Virgines” and the end of “Rose of Arimathea” from The Da Vinci Code are some of my favourite moments from the score that didn’t make to the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Anyone know the story behind "Lasiurus" from Batman Begins? It's my favorite track from Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, yet I don't recall it featuring anywhere in the film. My original assumption was that it was an unused end credits piece (which would make sense because the end credits music featured in the film is stitched together from various cues), but then "Lasiurus" doesn't sound quite rousing enough to have been originally planned for the end credits. Any clues? Rejected cue?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I don't think you could ask for a better example of a cue that would have made a major difference if it had been used than the one suggested above, "Murder on the Farm," from Herrmann's TORN CURTAIN, but your opening post seems to indicate -- or does it? -- that you're not looking for a specific cue if it is part of a whole score that was rejected in toto. Your call.

***

Have you ever devoted a show to cues which weren't actually removed from the film but were significantly altered, by director's request or studio interference, sometimes for the better, but sometimes not? In the former category, I suggest, you would find Goldsmith's Enterprise Fly-by from STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE. In the latter, I would cite David Shire's main title cue for THE HINDENBURG, where certain executives feared audiences would be confused and disoriented by the female vocalise -- "Where's that voice coming from?!" -- and insisted the singer be replaced by a trumpeter. A Bay Cities CD of Shire movie themes for piano presented the first vocal version but, alas, not including an orchestra.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   varrick   (Member)

Combat Drop (Aliens)
End Titles (Living Daylights)
Gerard Computes (The Fugitive)

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   edern   (Member)

Alan Silvestri:
"Plane Take-Off" and "Plane Ride" from Fandango
"End Credits" from G.I.Joe: The Rise of Cobra

 
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